[tempest1964]

My '64 is at the paint shop. He asks if there's supposed to be overspray on the firewall. I don't believe there is. Just want to make sure. Can someone let me know?
Thanks,
Tony

[GT182]

Some had overspray tho it depended on the plant where the car was made. I bought my 1st 66 GTO in May of 1970, so it was only 4 years old.... and it had overspray on the top of the firewall on both sides.

Let me ask. What is the paint color on the underside of the hood? my 1st 66 and the 66 Tempest Custom I had was body color, not black.

[tempest1964]

Unfortunately this is a re-color. And it's in primer. So, short answer: I don't know. Dang it. I will say it's a Fremont car. November of '63

[tripower]

Firewall overspray = Pontiac MI assembled cars (65 - 67?). Others plants not so much. Fremont masked off the shinny brand new data plates before spraying the firewall.

[60sstuff]

Originally Posted by tempest1964

I will say it's a Fremont car. November of '63

Fremont Ca. built cars always seemed to have the entire firewall painted black (no body color on firewall).
The only item masked off was the aluminum data plate as seen in the Fremont plant below.
This particular car seems to have a 967 and LL written over the black paint.

But its a mass produced automobile so there's always a chance someone gets sloppy.

[tempest1964]

Good info! Thanks guys. Not only did I not know about the overspray, I thought all Pontiac A-bodies had the data plates sprayed like the firewall. This is all real good info.

[dld]

Originally Posted by tempest1964

Good info! Thanks guys. Not only did I not know about the overspray, I thought all Pontiac A-bodies had the data plates sprayed like the firewall. This is all real good info.

A added note. the top and lower areas were not hard masked. there should be a fade or shadow mask of sort. this was a very thin coat only to hide any markings and to give a clean look.If you want to get really detailed any markings done should be applied first where you can see them under the black out coat.

The exception would be the final inspection stamp and the final test stamp that were both at ether side of the cowl. most found behind fenders. these will be on top of black out

[Cardo]

So the blackout is shot after the color? I have a Pontiac built car.

[dld]

Originally Posted by 60sstuff

Fremont Ca. built cars always seemed to have the entire firewall painted black (no body color on firewall).
The only item masked off was the aluminum data plate as seen in the Fremont plant below.
This particular car seems to have a 967 and LL written over the black paint.

But its a mass produced automobile so there's always a chance someone gets sloppy.

I think the pic you post is before the black out . It appears to be black but I think it is the red oxide soft body tooling primer. This was applied over the black sealing primer. it was sanded pryer to color coat. I can't see a reason to black out the F/W first then do body color.

attached is a pic of my 65 I D/A the finish to see the order of paint build.
It shows blk. primer red primer then red body color

[60sstuff]

did, What plant was your car painted in ?

The question tempest1964 is asking (was there overspray on a Fremont firewall)?

The Fremont Plant did things a little differently such as the firewall.

[dld]

My car was same as your yellow car and near same build date.

I did understand the question.

here are a few pics of a survivormay . a few guys here know of this car . this may help. note red where black is chiped. chips to right of wiper motor also . may in one shot see under markings

[jhnichols2]

The Pontiac plant 64 Lemans convertible I am currently restoring does not have overspray on the firewall. No picture available, but I can get one if anyone would like. It indicates the top of the cowl is body color and is blended under the cowl vent cover seal area. There are several other markings and stamps on the firewall and cowl that are clearly visible. Attached is a picture of a Pontiac plant 65 I parted out. Again, does not appear to have any overspray on the firewall and several markings visible as well.

[dld]

same car. u may see traces of red oxide in first pic

[John V.]

I did not see any evidence of body color overspray on the firewall of my Nov. '63 Fremont built GTO.

Nor did I notice evidence of paint & trim markings or inspector's stamps.

There may have been some respray of black on the firewall at some point in the car's life, I can't say there wasn't.

The body was resprayed maroon over the original Pinehurst Green and later resprayed over the maroon in red primer.

Hidden areas like the sides of the cowl remained body color Pinehurst Green.

All original evidence now gone, the body was stripped and resprayed Pinehurst Green in base coat/clear coat so nothing more to be learned from mine.

[dld]

a few to look over.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ewall+markings

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ewall+markings

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ewall+markings


look at post 5 on this one

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...ewall+markings

[tripower]

Originally Posted by Cardo

So the blackout is shot after the color? I have a Pontiac built car.

On Pontiac built cars the the underbody/firewall blackout would have been shot first, then body color.

[tempest1964]

John V, what week was your car built? Our cars might be first cousins! Lol

[John V.]

Time Built on the Data Plate shows 11D.

Date Produced on the PHS Manifest Record shows 11/20/63.

That was a Wednesday, 2 days before JFK was shot in Dallas.

[tempest1964]

Wow. That really puts it in historical context. November 22rd of '63, 9/11 and December 7th 1941. Anyone who was alive on those dates knows exactly where they were at and what they were doing when they heard the terrible news. On a different note, my car is 11D from Fremont also. That's cool. I haven't done the PHS thing yet. And my car doesn't have the same pedigree yours does, but I'd definitely say they're probably first cousins!