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I searched and didn't find what I was looking for, so figured I'd ask...

Trunk/deck lid rods for wing cars, were they different than non-wing cars, or just on a different adjustment hole?

Have a lazy deck lid I'm trying to resolve, any suggestions would be helpful and appreciated.

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Different adjustment hole.

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So is it the end adjustment hole, closest to the back seat, or closest to the rear of the car?

I remember at one point there was a tool for doing the adjustment, any tips there?

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When I got my 71 Judge, that was one of the first things I checked. The size of the trunk rods as compared to the non-winged GTO's. They were the same size. Like Ram4king said the "adjustment holes" will allow you to change the spring tension.

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It's hard to explain without a picture but you want to move it one notch higher.

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Thank you gentlemen, that's helpful. Any tips on moving the rods?

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When I looked at mine they were in different holes on different sides. I'll have to go look again, but as I remember one side is in the center hole and the other side is in either the hole closes to the back seat or the trunk, not sure which. I've always thought this was wrong....most likely done when the car was restored 20 years ago. Don't Think it left the factory that way. Any consensus on which holes are correct?

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I use a long socket and long extension as the tool to move them, a socket that just fits snug. They seem to have been adjusted differently not just for the Judge but also for the presence of factory (not dealer) installed remote trunk release. Power trunk cars are set lower, I guess so the trunk wouldn't fly open, the lid only pops up an inch or two and then if raised by hand they stay open all the way. Non power trunk cars will pop open all the way if you let go of the key. I've seen this enough over hundreds of boneyard cars in the 70's and 80's to know this was not a co-incidence.

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For example two of my 69's had a factory trunk release and the bars are bottom position on the left and middle on the right, my third 69 which came without a trunk release is middle on the left and top on the right (none are Judges).

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Ah, a socket, yeah, makes sense. Thanks! Guess I can try different positions and use what seems to work for me.

Excellent, thank you all!

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For example two of my 69's had a factory trunk release and the bars are bottom position on the left and middle on the right, my third 69 which came without a trunk release is middle on the left and top on the right (none are Judges).
Do you think the rods might have been installed without instructions from the assembly plant, and the holes, the rods were placed in, was left up to wherever the line worker happened to place them into? Or maybe there was instructions, but sometimes ignored due to effort needed to place the rods into the holes? Would this have been done at the Fisher Body Plant? Maybe the body manual states how it should be done dependent on options, I.e. Power trunk, spoiler etc. Would there have been written procedures which dealers used, if they installed the power trunk option at a dealership? Is it safe to say the bottom holes have the least amount of tension and the top holes have the highest?
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Hm. I have a fisher body manual, should dig that up and see.

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I don't recall anything in the assembly manual about which hole to use, but I think the Fisher manual explains how to adjust the setting afterwards.

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In my 11-1-69 Masterparts catalog the listing are:
69-70 ht wo/air foil lh 8733944 rh 7754538
69 ht w/air foil lh 8790660 rh 8790659
69-70 conv wo/air foil lh 7765580 rh 7765581
69 conv w/air foil lh 8790132 rh 8790133
No listing for -70 w/air foil...

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Makes sense since the adjustment of the bars might not have been enough to reliably correct for the weight of the wing. The absence of the 70 Judge is probably because the MPC you refer to was not complete in terms of 70 specific parts.

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Makes sense since the adjustment of the bars might not have been enough to reliably correct for the weight of the wing. The absence of the 70 Judge is probably because the MPC you refer to was not complete in terms of 70 specific parts.
But it is not in my 11-1-70 catalog either!
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one of mine snapped a while back and I sourced a set from a silver 70 GTO that a fellow was parting at the co-vention...they are the same as my Judge originals. Color coded on the ends pink and the other was orange with alot of silver over spray on them .

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One of mine snapped too, at the body shop, they were trying to get it to the next hole. So figured I'd need a pair.

Looked at Parts Place, they have them, but list them in either 44 or 46". Seems the 46" worked for me, but the body guy didn't get it to the next notch. Maybe he didn't want to break another!

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Coming back around to this, looks like my current rods are in the last holes, and it's not lifting or holding the lid with the wing up.

Anyone have part numbers for the 70 judge? I suspect I need a thick one, or for both?

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there is no Judge specific rod..... they are just positioned differently

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