[pjferri]

I have a 72 WW5 GTO.

Cardinal Red, White Vinyl Top, white interior
Auto, Honeycomb Wheels, AM/FM 8-Track, AC
Built the 3 week of September 1971
Car was restored by Potomac Classic Pontiac back around 2001.
Automotion Classics did some more work on it this year.
It does not have the original driveline, but it has a proper date coded block, heads and trans.

It came from VA, but is now in CT.

It will be in the Ram Air display at MCACN next week.

[johnta1]

Welcome to PY and sounds like an awesome WW5!

[CDN2PLS2]

SEE ya there!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by pjferri

I have a 72 WW5 GTO.
...
It will be in the Ram Air display at MCACN next week.

That was one heavy duty First Post !
Welcome to the Forum and thanks for joining in.

Show and Tell us more when you can.
Can gladly update the current totals after you have the chance to post or send a copy of the PHS Invoice.

And congratulations for being selected to display at MCACN.
Feel free to use any info or data from this thread in your display/signage at the event.
Lots of good info within this thread about the WW5's

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

Lloyd, don't you keep a registry on these? if so how many of them have you documented now? seems like they had a pretty good survival rate.

Lloyd, Johnta1, and myself , plus all other contributors - have all of our data combined within this thread.

pjferri's car will make 26 total documented cars - out of 290 built.

The X in the VIN's probably has helped a lot of these cars survive in some form or another even when basket cases or rust buckets.
Just by the 455HO designation in the VIN keeping them above ground.

Hopefully more will be discovered or revealed.
10% would be a good account for a bunch of guys just shooting in the dark on a website.

[CDN2PLS2]

Hey Baron,are you going to MCACN?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

No
but maybe one day, someday.

Should be a cool display.
Look forward to hearing what shows up

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Lloyd, Johnta1, and myself , plus all other contributors - have all of our data combined within this thread.

pjferri's car will make 26 total documented cars - out of 290 built.

The X in the VIN's probably has helped a lot of these cars survive in some form or another even when basket cases or rust buckets.
Just by the 455HO designation in the VIN keeping them above ground.

Hopefully more will be discovered or revealed.
10% would be a good account for a bunch of guys just shooting in the dark on a website.

baron are you saying there is only 26 documented ww5 cars???? I sure think I have seen a lot more than that.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

17 Auto
9 Sticks

The previous last new one was over 4 years ago.

Most of the ones that have changed hands or been offered for sale in the last decade or so, have been ones that were already accounted for by Lloyd or John in their file history.

Just not a lot of these WW5 cars with known whereabouts
But we have been on the look-out for them

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

RePost From August 2015
quick-fact // at-a-glance rundown on the documented cars
[pjferri's car not in this 2015 account]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

16 - Automatics
9 - 4 speeds

13 - Vinyl Tops
11 - Auto's with AC
4 - Auto's with Bench Seat & Column Shift
4 - 4 speeds with AC
2 - 4 speed without Console
6 - with Stripes
5 - with Cruise Control

12 - HoneyComb
9 - Rally 2
4 - Dogs
0 - Hubcaps

Exterior :
Red - 6
Sundance - 6
Lucy Blue - 3
Wilderness - 3
Anaconda - 2
Adriatic - 1
Monarch - 1
Quezal - 1
Shadow - 1
Silver - 1

Interior :
Ivory - 10
Saddle - 7
Black - 5
Green - 2
Unknown - 1

Atlanta = 9
Fremont = 2
PMD = 13
Unknown = 1

4 Buildsheets for WW5 GTO's - all 4 from Atlanta Plant
All 4 = XXX CUSTOMER ORDER (hand picked special ordered by customer)

All of these examples are Hardtops
Coupe / Post was also available with WW5 (only 3)
290 WW5 GTO's total

[muscle_collector]

that's surprising. I guess my silver car is the only one in silver??? who has the list and phs/buildsheets of them.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Yours is the only one in Silver, so far.

PY Forum has the list / documents.
Documents for all of them are all posted within this thread,
loaded onto the PY server [no 2nd or 3rd party servers],
for posterity's sake.

Anyone who wants to create their own database, is able to.
Everything that anyone has found has been shared here.
A person would need to start with Post #1 and comb all the way through to regather all the documents for every car.
But they are all there.

I know at minimum that Lloyd, John and myself have them all filed on our computers.

We have at least one form of document for every car except pjferri's.
And hopefully he can share with us as time/ability permits.
Once we get his stuff, I'll copy/paste the last revisions from 2015,
and add his to them in a new posting.

Scroll back to August 2015 and see the last full listing broken down by Early/Late - Auto/4 speed.
And highlites noted on each car.
If anyone is interested or inclined

[pggto]

I tried to buy one earlier this year but I didn't get the car. Here's the phs and a pic.

There was a Wilderness Green auto car advertised for sale for quite a while in the Milwaukee area about a year or 2 ago. Car was a project, did this car get added to the list?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks pggto !
That "early" LucyBlue 4 speed is not in the listing.
Will get it added


The WildGreen one you mentioned - there was some earlier commentary about it and i think they determined it was already listed.

Here are the 3 listed - do any of these seem to fit that car ?

Automatic
01/05/72 - VIN A143xxx = Inv# 315943 = Clark, TN
WildGreen / Green Bench & Column Shift / Black Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC
*Extreme Option Content - 33 options
$5785

Automatic
02/14/72 - VIN A159xxx = Inv# 413252 = NewYork , NY - Export Order
Wilderness Green / Saddle Buckets / Beige Vinyl Top / AC / Cruise Control
*$1 Export Prep = 99% usually Ordered by a US Military personnel at heavy PMD/GM Discount - but never left USA.


Probably couldn't be this one - but anyway
4 Speed
? / ? / ? - VIN Pxxxxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Columbus, Ohio
Wild Green, Green Buckets, Lt. Green Vinyl Top
Body Build Date = 03D / Only have window sticker document for data
*Still with Original Owner - 17,000 actual miles in Fantastic Condition
$5268

[pggto]

The Wilderness Green car was on ebay in May of 2018 according to my email history. He did send me a partial PHS.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Damn he was stingy with that Invoice . haha

It is NOT in the listing either. (Wilderness Green)
Will add it too , the best i can.
Maybe someone else will have a fuller version of the Invoice for it eventually.
Thanks Again

[Uncle Judge]

Pretty sure that my old car is on this list already. Here is the PHS for it.
I always thought that the 15” Rally II’s were part of the 724 handling package which was included in the WW5 package.
I guess that was incorrect after comparing the WW5 PHS that Paul posted to the PHS on the car that I owned. Apparently a 72 GTO, even with the WW5 and 724 handing package, had a 15” poverty cap wheel unless you ordered Rally II's or Honeycombs.
Rather interesting that the GT came standard with a Rally II wheel but GTO did not in 72.
Paul did your 72 GT with the WW4 package have a separate option for 15 inch Rally II’s?

[pggto]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Damn he was stingy with that Invoice . haha

It is NOT in the listing either. (Wilderness Green)
Will add it too , the best i can.
Maybe someone else will have a fuller version of the Invoice for it eventually.
Thanks Again

Yes he was pretty stingy. I went back to see if the ebay ad was still there, but to much time has passed and its not there any longer. Was hoping it would have more PHS to share.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

2 More Documented WW5 Cars to add -

Lucy Blue 4 Speed - Restored
WildGreen Auto - Project

Total Now =
17 Automatic
10 4 Speed

plus a Red Automatic in the wings


$1012
Early Automatics

09/15/71 - VIN A105xxx = Invoice # 074151 = Fort Arthur, TX
Sundance Orange / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top / AC
Body build date - 09B / Atlanta body # 011668
ST 72 23537 A 00781 BDY
TR 272 A5118 4 65 A PNT
09B 11 011668 180126
*Earliest example , so far
$5587

09/16/71 - VIN P?xxxx? = Invoice # 078327 = Flint, MI
Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top / AC / Cruise Ctrl.
*AC Spark Plug Car , Acct # 60-206
$5590

09/24/71 - = VIN P109xxx = Inv# 096534 = Du Quoin, IL
Silver / Black Bench & Column Shift / Black Vinyl Top / AC
$5533

10/04/71 - VIN P114xxx = Inv# 116759 = Skokie, IL
Lucerne Blue / Ivory Bench & Column Shift / Stripes
*This car would be the "Low Price Leader" if it had been Invoiced later using the later price reductions.
$4624

11/23/71 - VIN P129xxx = Inv# 237812 = Sedalia, MO
Shadow Gold / Saddle Buckets / AC
*Muscle Car Review Magazine article on car
$5332

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$1039
Automatics
Unknown Grey Area
Higher Base Price $2970 versus prior $2904 - and Higher Option Prices across the board

12/03/71 - VIN Pxxxxxx = Inv# 262665 = Allentown, PA
Red / Black Buckets / Black Vinyl Top / AC / Cruise Ctrl.
Body Build Date = 11B
*Hard Loaded with High End Options - 2nd Highest MSRP , so far
$5933

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$1006
Early 4 speeds

11/19/71 - VIN A130xxx = Inv# 233415 = Franklin, TN
Red / Black Buckets / Stripes / AC
$5467

11/20/71 - VIN P129xxx = Inv# 234050 = South Orange, NJ
Sundance Orange / Ivory Buckets / Stripes / AC
*Special MEMO Invoice
$5308

11/23/71 - VIN P1xxxxx = Inv# 239242 = Duluth, MN
LuLu Blue / PEWTER Buckets / Stripes
**Gotta love a car with the seldom seen Pewter Interior - WoW
$4971.54

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$987
Later Automatics - After 12/11/71 Price Drops

12/13/71 - VIN P1xxxxx = Inv# 281914 = Penns Grove, NJ
Red / Black Buckets / AC
*Car is owned in Sweden
$5338

01/05/72 - VIN A143xxx = Inv# 315943 = Clark, TN
WildGreen / Green Bench & Column Shift / Black Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC
*Extreme Option Content - 33 options
$5785

01/07/72 - VIN Z104xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Van Nuys, CA
Sundance Orange / Black Buckets / AC
*GMAD Company Car , Acct# 60-662
*Double Charged for LS5 455HO on initial Dealer Shipping Record
$5430 (not including $134 overcharge for 455HO "option")

02/14/72 - VIN A159xxx = Inv# 413252 = NewYork , NY - Export Order
Wilderness Green / Saddle Buckets / Beige Vinyl Top / AC / Cruise Control
*$1 Export Prep = 99% usually Ordered by a US Military personnel at heavy PMD/GM Discount - but never left USA.

03/08/72 - VIN P166xxx = Inv# 465973 = Vermillion, OH
Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top
$4996

? / ? / ? - VIN P168xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Bellevue, WA
Anaconda Gold / Bench Seat & Column Shift (only have the Window Sticker Doc.)
$4672

03/14/72 - VIN A171xxx = Inv# 480131 = Atlanta, GA
Anaconda Gold / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top / AC
Atlanta Body # 204916
$5431

? / ? / ? - VIN A178xxx = Inv# 528623 = ?? , ?? ( only have upper 3/4 portion of Invoice )
Red / Ivory Buckets (AM radio, Console, Custom Trim,.. thats it.)
*Lowest Option and Lowest Cost WW5 known , so far
$4569

04/25/72 - VIN ?xxxx? = Inv# 574390 = Smyrna, DE
Red / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top
$48x5

06/06/72 - VIN A210xxx = Inv# 668110 = Austin , TX
Monarch Yellow / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC / Cruise Control
Atlanta Body # 370301
*Extreme Option Content - 33 options - Highest MSRP , so far
$6043

?/?/? - VIN ???xxx = Inv# ?????? = UnKnown Dealer/Location
WildGreen / Unknown Interior / AC
*Only a Very Partial Invoice segment to go by
Project Car that was being offered in Milwaukee, WI
$ Unknown Retail Price

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$982
Later 4 speeds

01/13/72 - VIN P146xxx = Inv# 336326 = Faribault, MN
Lucerne Blue / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top
$4843

04/03/72 - VIN Z109xxx = Inv# 523582 = La Crescenta, CA
Adriatic Blue / Ivory Buckets / AC
$5445

? / ? / ? - VIN Pxxxxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Columbus, Ohio
Wild Green, Green Buckets, Lt. Green Vinyl Top
Body Build Date = 03D / Only have window sticker document for data
*Still with Original Owner - 17,000 actual miles in Fantastic Condition
$5268

04/27/72 - VIN A193xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Gaithersburg, MD
Quezal Gold / Saddle Buckets
Atlanta Body # 269517 / Body build date 04D
(Only have the buld sheet and trim tag for data)
$ 4967 +/- = itemized using option data from Bsheet

05/11/72 - VIN Axxxxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Rawlins, Wyoming
Lucerne Blue / Ivory Buckets / No Console
Atlanta Body # 300576 (only have Buildsheet document for data)
$4774 +/- itemized using option data from Bsheet

06/12/72 - VIN P203xxx = Inv# 682341 = Corvallis, OR
Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets / No Console
$4759

9/22/72 - VIN P142xxx = Inv# 740155 = Paramus, NJ
Red / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC
Built Dec 71 - Sold Sept 72
*Car initially special ordered for EXPORT with ALL Seat Belts Delete
*Eventually found a buyer in NJ
$5504

[pggto]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Damn he was stingy with that Invoice . haha

It is NOT in the listing either. (Wilderness Green)
Will add it too , the best i can.
Maybe someone else will have a fuller version of the Invoice for it eventually.
Thanks Again

After looking at that WG WW5 PHS again, it really doesn't say anything about what trans it has. I thought it was an auto car, but I could be wrong. Standard for WW5 was a 4 spd correct?