[Cammer-6]

Originally Posted by gregsgtos2

There were 3 of the 9 with blue deluxe interior.

how many of those were column shift vs floor shift?

[Judge273]

My understanding that the dash vin is gone with trim tag, and is on rebody according to seller with other parts like engine, trans, and who know what else.

Then without proof the seller of shell says there is a hidden vin under heater box and possibly on frame that belongs to a phs TA RA IV according to the ebay ad?

Not clear on law, but it is somewhat of a public display of fraud, fraud and more fraud.

Many people have touched, made money, and even when the corpse is found more money...

[guccieng]

so someone has a '69t/a with unmatching partial vins...

[brians]

Originally Posted by rupp

The guy would be screwed for switching vin tags. You have the vin punched in cowl to prove tags were switched. He's out his car and you get the tags back because you own the car.
All you need is a bill of sale and put a bond on the car.

Well if you actually believe that is what will happen, then I would recommend you bid now and bid often. It is only $6500 right now with no reserve.

Once the State Police just hands you the vin plate, title and drivetrain from the rebodied car, you can then take the hidden vin from that car and ask for a vin plate and title for that car. 2 for the price of one. You could make a mint!

Good Luck and let us know how that works out for you.

[Cammer-6]

Originally Posted by Judge273

My understanding that the dash vin is gone with trim tag, and is on rebody according to seller with other parts like engine, trans, and who know what else.

Then without proof the seller of shell says there is a hidden vin under heater box and possibly on frame that belongs to a phs TA RA IV according to the ebay ad?

Not clear on law, but it is somewhat of a public display of fraud, fraud and more fraud.

Many people have touched, made money, and even when the corpse is found more money...

Hence my post on the SS Pace Car

[brians]

What a surprise!! – It ended!

[Cammer-6]

Just when it was getting interesting

Edit: car is relisted with a reserve,care to guess what that is?

[steve v]

Any link to the new auction? I searched but only found 4,000 1969 Trans Am shim kits, screw kits, hose clamp kits etc......don't you just love the new ebay?
I thought it had hit reserve @ $6k on the previous auction?

[bobzdar]

Originally Posted by Cammer-6

Hence my post on the SS Pace Car

It's only fraud if the rebodied car is sold without disclosure of the rebody. The shell is worthless, you'll get a state issued vin if you try to do anything with it. If it comes to court, the current owner of the t/a can show all documentation and possession of all parts of the car except what's in this auction. If nobody has claimed the car stolen and all transfers of title check out, you have no claim to the vin/title. Possession is 9/10 of the law, so all you'll do is make some lawyers rich and might screw you both out of the car if the authorities decide to issue a new vin to the current owner to clear up any confusion. The only way you could get the car is if you could prove the body shell or some other parts on the rebodied car were stolen, and it was yours when it was stolen. Having this shell is just worthless scrap (well, except for what you could cut off of it or use, like the spoiler).

The SS example was a case of selling the car as something it wasn't. With PHS documentation, this really can't happen with pontiacs unless a car is stolen and vins switched, but as long as it's reported you'll have recourse to get the car back.

[rupp]

Originally Posted by bobzdar

It's only fraud if the rebodied car is sold without disclosure of the rebody. The shell is worthless, you'll get a state issued vin if you try to do anything with it.

It must vary from state to state. I have a buddy that just did the same thing on a 1969 camaro and he got the vin and tags back.The car the guy put the tags on had to get a state issued vin tag. Because it was considered a "reconstructed vehicle" or non matching vin car.He got the vin and tag back because they matched the vin on the body. (hidden vin)

[spb350]

The guy with the rebodied car must have the title that matches the VIN on the hulk, he should just go over there with the sheriff and take the car, he has the title to it. Unless the guy trying to sell it on ebay has a bill of sale he doesn't own it. That's what I would do.

[Cammer-6]

ITS ILLEGAL to transfer an attached VIN
PERIOD....

[Judge273]

I see no proof the the hidden vin matches any phs especially one that matches a very rare 1 of 9 RAIV 69 TA.

He says he has it (ransom money accepted). Bidding has ended.

Not sure what really happened or will happen....

[einstein]

Originally Posted by bobzdar

It's only fraud if the rebodied car is sold without disclosure of the rebody.

Here's the real world scenario that reveals the problem with your assertion:

1) Car builder creates re-bodied car, probably already in violation of Fed laws about removing VIN.

2) There is NO PLACE on ANY state title that I'm aware of that provides a place to declare the re-body.

3) Builder sells car, maybe with some notarized letter declaring the car to be a re-body.

4) Car sells 2-3 more times, then ends up in some high profile (maybe televised) auction with a "player" paying big bucks for it, but the "Documentation" (the notarized letter) got "lost" along the way.

5) Mr Player somehow learns of the car's fraudulent pedigree.

6) You should be able to figure out the rest, it will most likely involve lawyers and maybe the FBI.

[Cammer-6]

Originally Posted by bobzdar

It's only fraud if the rebodied car is sold without disclosure of the rebody.

The SS example was a case of selling the car as something it wasn't. With PHS documentation, this really can't happen with pontiacs unless a car is stolen and vins switched, but as long as it's reported you'll have recourse to get the car back.

No,youre not connecting the dots.
The case of the SS convertible is exactly the same scenario . It was a rare and valuable car that was rebodied,and the trim tag,VIN and documentation(title and any other paperwork) followed the new body and the buyer assumed that body matched that VIN.In both cases this is false.The builder of that mentioned SS might have gotten away with it, IF the VIN on blower motor plenum had matched the riveted VIN,and the title VIN.Im guessing that the rebodied TA has the same problems.

[Cammer-6]

3 of the 9 had blue Custom Trim
2 of those were floorshift
1 was column shift(console could have been added)
the other variable is that it didnt come from factory with blue custom trim

[gregsgtos2]

Maybe it was the 303 RAV MULE CAR!!!!

[roundportponchos]

Did anyone verify this mystery? Was it sold????

[birdsandgoats]

Here it is as a ram air III car http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cto/2044139002.html http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/2044088492.html

[Cammer-6]

and $2k cheaper
doya think he was proved wrong on the IV?
Or did it create too much heat?
Has anyone called him?
If so PM me