[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by nonnova

I hate to say it but a simple "walk around" would of steered you away from that purchase.

exactly what i thought........

shame on him for not describing the car accurately........

shame on you for not doing what nonnova stated..........

hummnn.. what would Judy Judy rule? partial fault by each party?

i would be surprised if you receive all your money back if this case goes before a judge. or better yet find a liberal judge......

it would be better to settle before...... consider it a lesson on purchasing sight unseen.........

[jjscerbo]

The old phrase still holds true:

"INSPECT WHAT YOU EXPECT"

[GreysonWinfieldEsq]

Maybe he meant free rust and not rust free?

[Newbomb Turk]

Looks like pre-trial stuff is going to be around June according to the Lawyer. Unless he offers a very decent settlement.

[Greg Reid]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

....shame on him for not describing the car accurately........
shame on you for not doing what nonnova stated..........
hummnn.. what would Judy Judy rule? partial fault by each party?
i would be surprised if you receive all your money back if this case goes before a judge. or better yet find a liberal judge......
it would be better to settle before...... consider it a lesson on purchasing sight unseen.........

I'm no lawyer but I'm thinking No way!
The way I look at it, it's like leaving the keys in your car. It's careless but it doesn't excuse someone from prosecution if they decide to steal the car.
If the seller misrepresented the cars, the buyer should in no way be held responsible because they took his written word at face value when it turns out that he lied.
The results of the past cases posted earlier bear that out I believe.
And besides....they are paying a price, in a sense, just by having to go through all of this litigation and legal wrangling to get their money back...years in at least one case.

[Newbomb Turk]

Thanks for the feedback, and bump to the top for newbies.

[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by Greg Reid

I'm no lawyer but I'm thinking No way!
The way I look at it, it's like leaving the keys in your car. It's careless but it doesn't excuse someone from prosecution if they decide to steal the car.
If the seller misrepresented the cars, the buyer should in no way be held responsible because they took his written word at face value when it turns out that he lied.
The results of the past cases posted earlier bear that out I believe.
And besides....they are paying a price, in a sense, just by having to go through all of this litigation and legal wrangling to get their money back...years in at least one case.

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don't think anyone is stealing a car, so how would this be a comparision?

Lying about the condition of a car could be solved by a simple.......

look before you leap........ so how could a judge not consider negligence on

the buyers' part?

[Newbomb Turk]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

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don't think anyone is stealing a car, so how would this be a comparision?

Lying about the condition of a car could be solved by a simple.......

look before you leap........ so how could a judge not consider negligence on

the buyers' part?

I readily admit i should have looked in person. But the fact is he lied. Period. And he put all those lies in print. There is no way around that fact.

[Crooked Car Dealer]

For what it's worth...

I own a dealership and it doesn't matter if it wasn't thouroughly inspected by the buyer. The dealer made statements in writing about the vehicle, anybody who has bought a car from a dealer has signed a Buyer's Guide. The Buyer's Guide explains all of this and has info on who to contact if there is an issue.

[Greg Reid]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

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don't think anyone is stealing a car, so how would this be a comparision?

Lying about the condition of a car could be solved by a simple.......

look before you leap........ so how could a judge not consider negligence on

the buyers' part?

The comparison is that carelessness on the part of the first party does not excuse a crime on the part of the second party.

[slowgto]

I don't fault Newbomb from buying the car unseen. It's expensive and takes time to go look at cars. The good ones sell quick too. If you can look at it, that is the best, but sometimes you can't.

I had a friend in Texas that bought a Judge from Sports, which is in PA, a few months ago. I pointed him toward this post, but he was undetered. He was close to buying the car but I got him to hold off a day so he could speak to the last owner, to make sure he got an honest description of the GTO. When he called back to finalize the deal, Sports increased the price $5,000. He ended up paying the original, full asking price, which was his call.

I don't understand these dealers that get their kicks misrepresenting cars. You can surely make more money being honest and respected for your expertise. And wouldn't you rather have a friendly client list of repeat customers and refferals than a bunch of nasty phone calls, law suites, and returned cars?

[Newbomb Turk]

Well, after getting the OK from the lawyer i sold the car. Had it on Racing Junk and several other sites. Sold it locally for $8000. The lawsuit is still in process. I needed to sell the car because i'm downsizing my shop and will have no place to store it.

[6t7gto]

This should be interesting since you sold the car.
what's the lawyer care?
he'll get his fee no matter what.
what if the seller would decide to buy it back from you?

david

[Newbomb Turk]

Originally Posted by 6t7gto

This should be interesting since you sold the car.
what's the lawyer care?
he'll get his fee no matter what.
what if the seller would decide to buy it back from you?

david

The lawyer get's nothing if we don't win. He's working on a contingecy. The dealer has had 2 YEARS to make any offers.

[i82much]

Duh - I just suggested you get a lawyer, then I read the whole thread. If you read this post before I edited it, ignore it!

For those of you considering whether to contact that lawyer - I'd say the more the merrier. You guys can split the cost of your lawyer, he has to pay all his legal fees himself. Makes a guy much more inclined to settle.

[ks gto (Cap)]

Naw--he won't settle. I'm the guy that started this whole thread - I know him and those like him. He is clueless as to the value of a satisfied customer. He doesn't realize that bad news travels faster and farther. In the long term it will all catch up to him. For now it's "gettem while it's good", with him.
For some time now, I have been talking to the same Attny that Newbomb Turk is using. I am also engaging his services under the same arrangement. This dealer has also had the opportunity to settle with me and chooses to arrogantly react in a manner that will eventually cost him much more (I refer to his posts and attitude throughout this thread).
I have struggled with the issue for sometime. I do understand the "buyer beware" concept, however I keep coming back to the misrepresentation issue and that won't allow me to just shrug it off. No one on this forum really knows me--but I am of the school that my integrity and my word is everything. That is all we really have in this life and those traits mean more to me than money. Therefore what is right is right and what this dealer represents needs to be held accountable and dealt with. Sad that it has to be decided by a judge, but that's his call. Cap

[kookykrispy]

I just read through this post and this Sportscar guy seems like a total arrogant piece of nothing a$$hole. I hope you drag his snotty a$$ into court and let him have it for misrepresentation. I cannot believe how huge of a crappy attitude this guy has to post the kind of replies he did. I would never, ever buy anything from him, and obviously nobody else should do business with this crooked fool.

[Newbomb Turk]

Well, one more guy has jumped on board. He didn't buy a car from Sports Car Gallery. He actually sold 1 to them and long story short, the dealer misrepresented the car when he advertised it and made several threats via email to this gentleman accusing him of telling lies about the car because people were contacting him before taking the dealers word. There is much more to it but he is going to be used as a charcter witness if we need him. He kept all the emails between the dealer and him. The dealer guy is a real piece of work.

[pmdclassics]

Aahh the mighty big talkin Doctor that has tons of wealth!! He's the Biggest hot shot in the classic car business....This DOC loves to leave threatening messages on the answering machine, loves to swear, curse and verbally abuse your family members, loves to use the word ***GOT over and over and over and over again and again and again and again....yes he's got class! I am so glad I decided not to sell my gto to the Sportscar Gallery!!

I personally have only had 2 really bad car deals in the past 20 years and both directly with east coast car dealers.

[6t7gto]

Whatever became of this?
Any settlement or still ongoing?


david