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This is a different buddies 72 TA. This is what a 100,000 mile 72HO looks like in Alaska.
Guard rails, rust, hotrodded, Hammered.

Anyway,we may be proven wrong about the mileage. Sky only has a bill of sale last time a spoke to him. I’m not sure he has a title yet. So the title will be the final decider on the mileage as it will only state the last titled mileage or unknown.
My 73 TA I bought from the estate of the original owner, and since the title has never changed hands since new, it listed the mileage as “0”. In reality it has 30,000+ miles, which I stated when I changed it over to my name.
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Old 09-29-2018, 07:18 PM
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Concerning the mileage, from my perception the 6,823 is correct. BUT, Sky (that’s my buddy who bought it) hasn’t confirmed the mileage with the owner. The owner, (the daughter of the woman who originally bought it), is in poor health and in the hospital. Sky has been trying to buy this car for six years. It’s never been listed, he just heard about it, then after a few years finally figured out where it was and tracked it down and pursued an amiable relationship with the owner. So when they decided to let go of it they gave him a price and he happily paid it.
It’s “possible” that the mileage is not correct, but I HIGHLY doubt it. My Alaskan 73 TA has 34,000 miles and was rougher. My Alaskan 70 SS 396 camaro has 80,000 miles with original paint and is rougher.
For this car to go 100,000 miles, in Alaska, which was all dirt roads in the 70/80s, and not ever slide into a ditch or a curb or hit a stop sign.... it’s impossible.
Cars don’t Rust to bad up here (unless you are right next to the ocean), but they do get battered.
my brother lived in Alaska and had a 76 50th ann 455 4speed and a 79 ta he drove both of them on a regular basis and they looked brand new. when he moved from Alaska to Hawaii he sold the 79 and shipped me the 76 to store for him. when it arrived it looked brand new inside and outside was totally rust free but the paint had dulled down he said when the volcano erupted he was in the mainland and it got covered with ash and sat for at least a month covered in the ash.

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Old 09-29-2018, 08:38 PM
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They came on 72's. I posted the original assembly manual page that documented its installation on F-bodies, somewhere in my black car thread, years ago. I also posted the original owner photo of the air cleaner lid with the decal on it.
I know they came with them as my first car was a cardinal red 72 Formula 455. That was an old, old thread where I was told that it must have been added by several people
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Note, this car has the STAINLESS rear view mirror, like 99% did that were built in 1971. Just put a new mirror Glass in the stainless one for my old '72 Formula that a member here owns now.
Clear capsule with plastic valence was 2nd style light. Pontiac made a metal valence for these capsules because they could not go back to the old metal valence as the capsules required the new style light harness.
Very cool car. Hope it stays dry. Lots of Mold and moisture in southwest AK.
Thanks for posting the pics and sharing this great "find-"save"

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Note, this car has the STAINLESS rear view mirror, like 99% did that were built in 1971. Just put a new mirror Glass in the stainless one for my old '72 Formula that a member here owns now.
Clear capsule with plastic valence was 2nd style light. Pontiac made a metal valence for these capsules because they could not go back to the old metal valence as the capsules required the new style light harness.
Very cool car. Hope it stays dry. Lots of Mold and moisture in southwest AK.
Thanks for posting the pics and sharing this great "find-"save"
We are in Anchorage (well technically Eagle River just north of Anchorage), it’s not nearly as wet here as south west Alaska (Juneau Sitka Ketchikan)

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Note, this car has the STAINLESS rear view mirror, like 99% did that were built in 1971. Just put a new mirror Glass in the stainless one for my old '72 Formula that a member here owns now.
Clear capsule with plastic valence was 2nd style light. Pontiac made a metal valence for these capsules because they could not go back to the old metal valence as the capsules required the new style light harness.
Very cool car. Hope it stays dry. Lots of Mold and moisture in southwest AK.
Thanks for posting the pics and sharing this great "find-"save"
Not sure what your saying Bruce?

My 72 Formula has a clear plastic parking lights and had traces of plastic valence. Yet had a metal valence on car when I bought it. Think there was only one style of metal valence for 70-71. 72 had plastic ones that broke and was replaceable with a metal one with parking lights that fit in fiberglass insets like 70-71.

Maybe the stainless back mirror was up per cowl tag (11/71) with speedo like 70-71 that had only brake light...My cowl tag reads 12/71 72 Formula has black mirror and non functioning seat belt warning light.

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Old 09-30-2018, 09:27 AM
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I have found that there was metal Valences made and plenty found as NOS parts units that only fit the capsule and Not the 69-early 72 style metal housings.
Are your clear "lenses" the older style or the new "capsule style" ? If Capsule style your front wiring harness is much different as it has a Bulb holder in it, where the older has a connector only to the back of the metal housing.
November, and into Dec was a when those changes occurred, Mirror and front harness and lights , Valences.
I do know that last week DEC '71 had the new harness with socket and Clear Capsule. Still had old school Brake light only as well.
Its interesting that 3 different front Parking/ turn lights were made in the '72 model year.
I should get some lights and try fitments again. I have done this in past but do not have pics.

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Old 09-30-2018, 10:24 AM
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You can see my valence in post 272 before and after.

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...734344&page=14

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fwiw - you're supposed to be able to use either type valance with either type light.

PMD even sold a conversion hardware kit to install plastic housing lights into metal valances for the retrofit. You also had to buy the filler surrounds when going to metal valance.

Been a Long Time - but iirc on the metal valance - the lamp mounting screws are longer.
And "maybe" there is also a plastic insert needed that the mounting screws thread into - on a metal valance.
Plastic valance used metal U-Clips for mounting screws.

Bruce is right on the wiring harness difference between them.
You just need to stay with correct lamp.

I never knew there was also a Clear Plastic Lamp - good to know.
Had thought all plastic valance cars came with Amber Plastic Lamps.

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Lookin' good! Thanks AkCamaro for posting this awesome find. Could you get a couple pics of the underhood light and how it grounds? My 72 HO Formula is missing the light, but the blue connector is there like I see in your picture. Does it have 2 wires or 1?
Also get a shot of the heat riser shroud on the driver side exhaust manifold.
Thanks! Keep the pics coming.
Sky read your post and send me these. Hope they help.
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Sky is looking for a passenger side clear seat belt clip, since the one in the car is broken, if anyone has a spare.
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BTW: Sky is a great name. Is that a nickname or birth? Got to get him to join the forum.

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Sky is looking for a passenger side clear seat belt clip, since the one in the car is broken, if anyone has a spare.
They are reproduced.

http://www.firebirdcentral.com/1970_..._p/int-774.htm

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Great pictures Sky! Thank you so much. That answers a couple questions I've had for a long time. Fist time I have seen an untouched folded heat riser shield on an early build 72 "F" body. The late 72's are stamped as shown. Obviously, your is original. Thanks again.
You''re a lucky dog! Congrats on the fantastic score!
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Very cool car!

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Sky read your post and send me these. Hope they help.
Could he get a picture of the "Keep your GM" decal on the side of the air cleaner base?

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Late to the party fellas but glad I made it; what a neat car! In for the rest of the story. My first Pontiac was an Adriatic Blue with painted Cameo White top 71 LeMans. What a great color combo.

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wow!! Just got back in town and saw this post, incredible car! Pretty much the long lost Formula twin to Greg in San Antonio's '72 Adriatic Blue Trans Am! Great options and great color combo, hope he joins so we can follow along with his work on the car.

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wow!! Just got back in town and saw this post, incredible car! Pretty much the long lost Formula twin to Greg in San Antonio's '72 Adriatic Blue Trans Am! Great options and great color combo, hope he joins so we can follow along with his work on the car.
I believe the Adriatic Blue T/A now resides in Melbourne, FL.

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I believe the Adriatic Blue T/A now resides in Melbourne, FL.
I remembered he sold it to a museum but didn't remember where it went

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