[John Langer]

Cv-juans to the front... my current heads are a pseudo hybrid prototype tiger 2 but not really.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

You are correct no other person will beat Mike because no one will try. As for the HP and the ra5 head not beating him, it's also because no one has tried. Mike broke a lot of stuff getting to where he did, few people will go through that headache and amount of money just to say they did it. Easier and more reliable ways of doing it.
It's like my dad saying he has the fastest tri-power might be true but doesnt really amount to much when no one else has put effort into beating him.

"Easier and more reliable ways of doing it" ? Really ? How would you know ? Its not you did not try, you did. Still came up short. You had the high dollar billet pistons, 1500$ ring set, billet crank, big bad High Ports, Cubic carb, 50mm cam. And every intake known to mankind. Barton on speed dial with a blank check in your hand.
Mikes gone and some people find it easy to take back handed swipes at the guy since he is not around to defend himself.
What do you think would happen to you if he read that ? You would have crawled back into you corner after he was done with you.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

"Easier and more reliable ways of doing it" ? Really ? How would you know ? Its not you did not try, you did. Still came up short. You had the high dollar billet pistons, 1500$ ring set, billet crank, big bad High Ports, Cubic carb, 50mm cam. And every intake known to mankind. Barton on speed dial with a blank check in your hand.
Mikes gone and some people find it easy to take back handed swipes at the guy since he is not around to defend himself.
What do you think would happen to you if he read that ? You would have crawled back into you corner after he was done with you.

Mike and I were friends, call/text often. Pitted next to him every year at Norwalk.
You've got no idea what you're talking about.

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by slowbird

What's the difference between the Tiger and the Tiger2? Which one of those guys runs Tiger2?

Don't think you will ever see them -- they have been at least 5 to 6 years in the making -- lack of availability is one reason I gave up on them.

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by cgeise

Don't think you will ever see them -- they have been at least 5 to 6 years in the making -- lack of availability is one reason I gave up on them.

D-white, Kinsler, Snyder, and I think ray ray run them. I think around a half dozen more as well that I know of...

[cgeise]

I don't see them listed on there web site?? couple years ago I was told I could get some -- then told not available -- and would prob be another year --- ect ect I was also told they were mimicking a lot of stuff from your heads ?? so is that the head that is being sold now ????

[slowbird]

The Tiger2 is basically a proport casting. Can do pretty much what ever you'd like with it

[cgeise]

hmmm I was told it was to have different valve location/spacing and other " improvements" that people had found to be productive over the years -- just what I was told.

[PAUL K]

One change to the Tiger 2 is improved water circulation around the center exhaust ports.

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by cgeise

hmmm I was told it was to have different valve location/spacing and other " improvements" that people had found to be productive over the years -- just what I was told.

They do in a finished version or you can just get a cubed chunk of aluminum and do what ever you want to them.

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by cgeise

I was also told they were mimicking a lot of stuff from your heads ?? so is that the head that is being sold now ????

They did off of my old heads and that is what you can get. I don’t think anyone would want to do what we did to my current heads. Billet would have been cheaper but not legal in the class I run.

[LiL Jack]

Anyone can call Visner and get a set of heads that flow over 500 CFM.

[bad69bird]

Originally Posted by John Langer

Cv-juans to the front...

Glad to see you've finally seen the light John!!! lmao

[John Langer]

Originally Posted by bad69bird

Glad to see you've finally seen the light John!!! lmao

I wouldn’t use those ford abominations as a door stop... but that’s just me.

[bad69bird]

Originally Posted by John Langer

I wouldn’t use those ford abominations as a door stop... but that’s just me.

LMFAO...I have one for a door stop!

[cfmcnc]

Originally Posted by John Langer

They did off of my old heads and that is what you can get. I don’t think anyone would want to do what we did to my current heads. Billet would have been cheaper but not legal in the class I run.

Well , not exactly ...but the BES port program is one option . Tony and crew are doing 6 pairs ??? of standard exhaust flange location heads for AP .

A couple of other pairs that were simply "cubed" with no guide or seat locations
machined have been sent there as well for you and maybe one other customer ??

The others were fully machined to finished heads (my port designs) and ported up in Maryland , but I don't think any remain available ??
I'm doing intakes for them and possibly the ones from BES as well . that's all I really know about it . There are vary few pairs of existing castings .

Frank called me last night to discuss a couple of details . John