[camerjeff]

The Issue I would have with Publishing or Posting anything I was given and asked not to do so is

1 - I gave my word that I would not do so, regardless of signing anything to that effect. Your word may or may not mean much to you, but I try to stand by what I say. As do some other people on this board.

2 - If you do have a source that is willing to share info with you, and they ask you not to print or post the copies. How much more info do you think you will get once they find out the last set was posted? This second one is purely selfish, but it goes along with item #1

I also have small bits of info I was asked not to share, and so far I have kept my word.

[Diego]

They know I may dispense info but I told them I would not post it. I did get permission to post Fred Simmonds' matrices because a lot of them have been floating around the Internet already.

Out of curiosity, what kind of stuff do you have?

[77 Canamman]

I own a 4 speed '73 Grand Am and 4 speed '73 Sport Coupe GTO. Are there any concrete production numbers for either of them? Thank you.

[rexs73gto]

I know that for the 73 GTO's there were 4807 cars made and the breke down I have on a poster in the garage but the sport coupe were 287 with 400 & I'll have to look when I get out there tommarow but I think it is 18 455's. I'll get the excat breke down tommarow & post them . As far as G/A's I don't know about those but you can find all the info on the A-Body site as Murry has posted all that info before on the site.

[Diego]

The number of GTOs has been published eons ago. If the Sport Coupe is not the Colonnade style, only 25 455s were built.

I do not have anything on Grand Am sticks, sorry to say. The number may exist, but I didn't go through 1973 numbers. What I have are some 1974 that compares with the previous year's production.

[gto4door]

Diego,
Does the report show any info on WT5, Mountain Performance Option? I was wondering if Pontiac still had that option for model years 1973 and 1974? If so can you please share the production numbers. Thanks.

[Diego]

I'm sorry, I don't have that - I think it was on page 20, and I took a pic of page 21 that starts with option WU2. However, I think I know someone with the complete 1973 list, so I will ask him.

[rexs73gto]

Colonade is the style of the car body itself for all 73-77 a-bodys, the difference is the sport coupe is af37 & that is the sport coupe & ad37 is the std coupe. The sprot coupe is the car with the louvered side windows & the ad37 is the body with the large side window. And ad35 is the 4 door body. Like all 73-77 there were no convertables. af37 ad37 is the first part of the vin. But again colonade is the entire body style for the 73-77 cars.

[camerjeff]

 I was bugging all my contacts to get info on my 77 Astre Formula, like how many Formula's were Built ect... I was able to get some internal Documents from that list the differnt Accessory numbers and % of body style with that option, I was able to get only 76-80 as I asked for Astre/Sunbird only. My contact retired shortly after. So I do not have any infor for the 73-75 cars.
And seeing that I an about the only person that cars about 76 and later cars (exept for fellow A-body owners of course) I never saw the need to disclose the numbers, I am sure alot of this info is available, but I have never looked. Here is a cover page for the 77 Model year.

PHS estimated that they Built about 330 Astre Formulas in 1977, I thought that number was a bit low. I found out that they Built 2052 Astre's with a rear deck spoiler, and seeing as they only put rear spoilers on the Formula, that would leave me to believe that they built 2052 Formula Hatch Back's, plus a few Wagons. But later in the numbers they list that 946 Astre's received the optional Hood decal (it was optional on a Formula Astre just like it was on a T/A, my Formula does not have it.) And then later it says that they Built 1554 W66 Formula Astre's of both Body Styles, HB and Wagon.

So I have to go with the 1554 number, but the 2052 with rear spoiler is alittle confusing, unless this is the rear air deflector on Wagons?

So the numbers are a Little Confusing.



[77 Canamman]

Originally Posted by Diego

The number of GTOs has been published eons ago.

Which number? I know the total number of GTO's made. I would like to know M20 production only. You seemed to question the 1113 number. Thank you...

[Diego]

I'll check my books (Demauro, Zazarine, etc.) and see. Then you can show me the discrepancy that I've queried.

[Alvin]

Using the info you posted on the B (aka: the Dark Side) section as a reference (see below); Don Keefe mentioned to me that this information was not correct as written.


1. What is the correct total breakout for 1967 428HO Grand Prix convertibles?
a. How many man trans 428HOs?
b. How many auto trans 428HOs

[Diego]

Indeed, the number "559" is for all Grand Prixs equipped with the 428 HO, not just ragtops. From what I've tabulated, manual tranny hardtops number 555, and 205 for ragtops. This is for all motors available with 3- and 4-speed trannys. I have estimated a number of total 428 HOs with a manual and automatic, but I don't feel comfortable writing it here because it's based on math rather than actual documentation . . . and I could be wrong.

I do feel the numbers exist in the document but I only took note of a few pages, so I missed that one.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Diego

Alvin:

... This is for all motors available with 3- and 4-speed trannys. I have estimated a number of total 428 HOs with a manual and automatic, . . . and I could be wrong.

... I can tell you that 373 428 HOs from all big cars had a manual tranny. That's out of 1,405 cars.

Interesting.

Seems that most people forget, if they ever knew, that a 3-spd manual trans was usually the basic transmission equipment installed by mfg.;

with the 4-spd manual;

3-spd and 4-spd “overdrive Switch Pitch" Automatics

available at a higher priced upgrade option; especially in the 1960’s.

You mention in your reply 3 and 4 speed trans.
Were there any 428HO’s equipped with 3-spd manual trans?

If so, any idea how many? GP’s, 2+2, etc?

[Diego]

I posted my response to this in the big car section:

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...=676731&page=3

Does the report show any info on WT5, Mountain Performance Option? I was wondering if Pontiac still had that option for model years 1973 and 1974? If so can you please share the production numbers. Thanks

I asked a friend who has 1973 numbers, and this is what he told me:

2,568 for LeMans
3,983 for big cars
552 for Firebirds
1,381 for Grand Prixs
339 for Venturas

[Diego]

Another note: The 1973 pages show 1 LeMans being built with the WU3 "Ram Air Hood" but the 1974 memo that I have shows none for 1973 (they compare with previous years). Ditto for the SD 455 - it shows one built in 1973, but the 1974 memo shows none. I'm sure this single SD car had the hood, but it begs the question whether one really was built in '73 or not.

[gto4door]

Originally Posted by Diego

I asked a friend who has 1973 numbers, and this is what he told me:

2,568 for LeMans
3,983 for big cars
552 for Firebirds
1,381 for Grand Prixs
339 for Venturas

Diego....thank you (and to your friend) for looking those numbers up for me.

[fiedlerh]

Yes, WU3 was required with the SD-455 in the A-body.
Maybe it was the car-of-the-year 73 SD-455 GTO, the 1973 SD-455 engineering Grand Am, a pilot car, or an error that was corrected because it was never built.
Since the WU3 and the SD-455 were not EPA certified, it would make sense for the number to be "corrected". Pontiac had enough trouble with the EPA.

Have any breakdowns of the 833 M20 options for 1974?

[Diego]

I don't have those breakdowns.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Diego

I posted my response to this in the big car section:

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...=676731&page=3



I asked a friend who has 1973 numbers, and this is what he told me:

2,568 for LeMans
3,983 for big cars
552 for Firebirds
1,381 for Grand Prixs
339 for Venturas

Thanks for the reply Diego. Interesting historys. For Diego (below), in case you missed this 73 GTO SD455 "Back-story" posting.

Originally Posted by Alvin

The SD-455 GTO back-story

Thanks to the October, 2011 HMM article, you can now read “the rest of the story” by Joe Odlham.