[pggto]

Originally Posted by Uncle Judge

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Pretty sure that my old car is on this list already. Here is the PHS for it.
I always thought that the 15” Rally II’s were part of the 724 handling package which was included in the WW5 package.
I guess that was incorrect after comparing the WW5 PHS that Paul posted to the PHS on the car that I owned. Apparently a 72 GTO, even with the WW5 and 724 handing package, had a 15” poverty cap wheel unless you ordered Rally II's or Honeycombs.
Rather interesting that the GT came standard with a Rally II wheel but GTO did not in 72.
Paul did your 72 GT with the WW4 package have a separate option for 15 inch Rally II’s?

Jeff, My 72 WW4 doesn't have a separate option for the 15" wheels. Maybe it was part of the Sport option, I will have to go back and break down that package to see what was included, I don't remember at the moment.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Uncle Judge

Pretty sure that my old car is on this list already. Here is the PHS for it.

I always thought that the 15” Rally II’s were part of the 724 handling package which was included in the WW5 package.

We have your car listed , and thanks again for sharing.

01/13/72 - VIN P146xxx = Inv# 336326 = Faribault, MN
Lucerne Blue / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top
$4843


5 of the WW5's in our listing were Dog Dish cars
with 15" RWL tires
- including yours .

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by pggto

After looking at that WG WW5 PHS again, it really doesn't say anything about what trans it has. I thought it was an auto car, but I could be wrong. Standard for WW5 was a 4 spd correct?

No
You have to use the WW5 Option Price to determine what it was.

The new WildGreen was a Late Automatic @ $987.00

The new LuLuBlue was an Early 4 Speed @ $1006.86

Did the Blue car still have the Pewter Interior - or had it been changed ?

[pggto]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

No
You have to use the WW5 Option Price to determine what it was.

The new WildGreen was a Late Automatic @ $987.00

The new LuLuBlue was an Early 4 Speed @ $1006.86

Did the Blue car still have the Pewter Interior - or had it been changed ?

The blue car had a white & black interior in it.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

That's a shame about the interior.
But i'm not even sure they offer replacement covers and door panels and carpet off-the-shelf for that color.


Just realized they didn't even offer a Blue Bucket interior on 72 GTO
Only a CLOTH Blue Bench
So probably would have had to been a Base/Non-Custom interior with Bench seat to get a Blue Interior on GTO .... i'm guessing

[Uncle Judge]

The Wilderness green car from WI was an automatic Paul.

Also, the 701 interior color is indeed Pewter and not White which is 721. Now I know why all of the interior was re-sprayed white in that blue WW-5 restored car.
Pretty cool for sure! Can't believe that I missed that when we looked at the car but the trim code for white and Pewter is so close.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

quick-fact // at-a-glance rundown on the documented cars


17 - Automatics
10 - 4 speeds

13 - Vinyl Tops
12 - Auto's with AC
4 - Auto's with Bench Seat & Column Shift
4 - 4 speeds with AC
2 - 4 speed without Console
7 - with Stripes
5 - with Cruise Control

12 - HoneyComb
10 - Rally 2
5 - Dog Dish
0 - Hubcaps

Exterior :
Red - 6
Sundance - 6
Lucy Blue - 4
Wilderness - 4
Anaconda - 2
Adriatic - 1
Monarch - 1
Quezal - 1
Shadow - 1
Silver - 1

Interior :
Ivory - 10
Saddle - 7
Black - 5
Green - 2
Pewter - 1
Unknown - 2

Atlanta = 9
Fremont = 2
PMD = 14
Unknown = 2

4 Buildsheets for WW5 GTO's - all 4 from Atlanta Plant
All 4 = XXX CUSTOMER ORDER (hand picked special ordered by customer)

All of these examples are Hardtops
Coupe / Post was also available with WW5 (only 3)
290 WW5 GTO's total

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by pggto

This one is on facebook for sale.

Originally Posted by randyr

Can anyone help? Trying to find the contact info for the Yellow WW5 GTO in the above thumbnail.
Haven't had any luck finding it on Facebook.
Thanks, Randy

We do not have this car on The List either.
The screen-shot of the FB ad says it is a 4 Speed
The only Monarch Yellow we have is this Automatic

06/06/72 - VIN A210xxx = Inv# 668110 = Austin , TX
Monarch Yellow / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC / Cruise Control
Atlanta Body # 370301
*Extreme Option Content - 33 options - Highest MSRP , so far
$6043


Randy , did you get in touch with the owner ?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Lloyd-TX

I have spoken with Tim Fleming several times about his Monarch Yellow WW5.. It's been for sale for many years now. NICE car!

Haven't seen Lloyd post in a while, and read he was having some critical health issues - due for surgery.
But just in case he checks in with us --
-- seems like he had info on 1 WW5 car that the owner didn't wish for him to share the documentation.

Maybe this 4 Speed Yellow car , was that car ?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Maybe this 4 Speed Yellow car , was that car ?

Doing some googling and tracking -
So far have found out that the Tim Fleming - Monarch Yellow 4 Speed
was actually originally Special Ordered BLACK
and has 2 Buildsheets with it.

BLACK with Saddle Interior - 4 Speed
i think the value/interest of the car is downplayed a LOT by the Yellow paint.

Very Very Few special order Black Cars in 1972, at all.
Its practically the cream of the WW5 crop , fellows.
90k in the car with a full frame-off resto
All matching # drivetrain as well.

From gtoforum.com - Sep 2017

When my step father purchased the car in 1974 it had been painted yellow. I tracked the car down through several owners and bought it back, had it beautifully restored to stock condition and decided to go with the yellow he had known (monarch yellow). I struggled with the decision to not go with the ordered, black color, but the restoration was with him in mind.

Also on the trail of another Sundance Orange 4 Speed with Matching # Drivetrain
that was in mid-frame-off-resto in Sep 2012 with a good stash of NOS parts for the resto. Owner was in NY

https://www.gtoforum.com/f12/1972-gt...riginal-39128/

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Here's another beauty
72 WW5 Automatic - Silver with Pewter Interior

$68,200 at BJ Auction in Vegas in 2009

Taking it for granted it was a Real McCoy by the money.
But we really need a document to keep the registry listing honest.
It claims documentation , but doesn't picture it.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...OR-COUPE-79200

I'd hump the chrome off the rear bumper of that car.
No kidding
Silver and Pewter , damn she sexzy

[pggto]

Originally Posted by pggto

Jeff, My 72 WW4 doesn't have a separate option for the 15" wheels. Maybe it was part of the Sport option, I will have to go back and break down that package to see what was included, I don't remember at the moment.

Jeff, It appears the 15" wheel option is part of the Y99 (724) handling package which is part of the WW4 (702) and WW5 (704) option.

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by pggto

Jeff, It appears the 15" wheel option is part of the Y99 (724) handling package which is part of the WW4 (702) and WW5 (704) option.

Definitely!
Did either of you two ever find an original build sheet on the Lucerne blue car?
AH should be in the wheel box.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by bgoat3

High option WW5 on North Mississippi CL. Not mine, just passing info along.

That one is in our list.
Found another For Sale listing for it - with pictures - but No Price.

01/05/72 - VIN A143xxx = Inv# 315943 = Clark, TN
WildGreen / Green Bench & Column Shift / Black Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC
*Extreme Option Content - 33 options
$5785

Here is the current link to it
http://smclassiccars.com/pontiac/397...455ho-ww5.html

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

PY Forum has the list / documents.
Documents for all of them are all posted within this thread ...

I know at minimum that Lloyd, John and myself have them all filed on our computers.

I completely forgot this thread was jump-started with 20 cars already accounted for / documented.
So it does not have ALL those documents posted here.

But i counted what looks like 30 different cars in my documents/files.
Couple or few might be for the same car - but have a different thumbnail appearance.

Will filter back through them and maybe post them one car at time, over a period of time, with their respective highlite notes from the Big List - in the order they appear on the list.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

From October of 2015

Originally Posted by johnta1

Is this one on the list?

WW5 at Kissimmee Auction

No
But it's likely a Real McCoy
That link is still valid and can still be viewed.

4 Speed - Red / Black Buckets / White Stripes / Dog Dishes
Sold new in Warsaw, NY
$4955.40 = MSRP
Was estimated to pull 75k-100k , brought 57k , in Jan 2016 - Kissimmee, Florida Mecum


This Red 4 Speed,
plus the Silver/Pewter Auto
plus pjferri's Red Auto ,
Would put us at 30 cars. Over 10%

[pggto]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

Definitely!
Did either of you two ever find an original build sheet on the Lucerne blue car?
AH should be in the wheel box.

I don't know if there was a build sheet for the blue car we looked at, we didn't get to see all the paperwork they had. Only docs I have were texted photos of the PHS.


As far as the wheels go, I know is says 15x7 with the Y99 handling package, but I don't see where it specified what wheels it came with? Unless the rally wheels were part of the GT package and the WW4 package bumped them up to the 15x7? It has a hand written note on the PHS about a $58 charge of some sort on the tire option. This is probably a topic for a different discussion not related to the WW5 post.

[Uncle Judge]

Paul, That is what I was saying in my previous post. I realize that the 724 Handling packing is included in the WW4 and WW5.
I also said that it was rather interesting that the GT came standard with dechromed Rally II wheels but the GTO did not.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by pggto

... Unless the rally wheels were part of the GT package and the WW4 package bumped them up to the 15x7? It has a hand written note on the PHS about a $58 charge of some sort on the tire option. This is probably a topic for a different discussion not related to the WW5 post.

I think you have it right about 15x7 R2's phasing over from being inclusive as 14 R2's on the GT option.
The RIM size between 14 and 15 didn't effect R2 option cost.
It was the TIRE size that brought upcharge on a 15 R2 combo.
WW4 bumped the size rim - and then style (R2) was covered under GT.
WW4 covered the 15 rubber

CMD = credit memo document
The $58 is the amount the dealer was credited after all the dust settled on the math from all the combination wheel//hubcap//tire features included amongst GT , SPORT , WW4 all bouncing against each other on the same car.

I don't have data on GT and SPORT, Mike Noun or his website would be the good sources.

WW4 would only pull about 3 or 4 cars if we did a thread.
So this is cool here

Your car is WILD
LemansSport GT-WW4 , would all that even fit on the decklid ?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

I think you have it right about 15x7 R2's phasing over from being inclusive as 14 R2's on the GT option.
The RIM size between 14 and 15 didn't effect R2 option cost.
It was the TIRE size that brought upcharge on a 15 R2 combo.
WW4 bumped the size rim - and then style (R2) was covered under GT.
WW4 covered the 15 rubber

Not 100% apples/apples - but to support that paragraph
I used a 71 Judge for the instance

14x6 R2 inclusive
15x7 R2 upgrade - only incurred a Tire Charge

No upcharge on the actual R2 Rim Size
fwiw