[John V.]

BTW, hate to have multiple topics going at once, but I agree with you on the PS Return Hose clamp not being the crimp type. Only real evidence I can find is an illustration in the Shop Manual, 9A-33 shows a screw type clamp, although it shows a "split" style band, not solid like you showed. That might just be a vendor difference. I don't have one to look at but the "split" style was what was in my head before I found the Shop Manual illustration. I also know the illustration doesn't necessarily mean they built them to look that way. And it doesn't mean that one or more Plants couldn't have used the crimp style if they thought it was "better" or easier to install. Even back then, they didn't necessarily build them with ease of disassembly in mind. Still, I'd be curious what evidence anybody has had to suggest the crimp type clamp was factory. Dick?

No tape on my cable but the rubber/plastic coated armored cable sheath on mine is beat up, much of the armor is exposed for about the 1st 3" behind the ferrule as if somebody tried to remove the coating by heat, chemical, or just plain ripped it away with pliers. The coating is fine from there back to the firewall, but if there was a tag on it from new, gone now.

As mentioned before, mine may have had the sleeve over the cable forward of the ferrule but also gone now. And there is still no way for me to know if I have the original 4 bbl cable or if it was replaced when the tripower was installed. Bummer for me, would like to be able to figure it out.

Same as you, I just was looking at the descriptions for the '66 cables and noted a couple things.

The 4 bbl uses the same as the auto trans tripower. Only 11-1/2" long, description says Red Tape.

Man trans tripower is 11-3/4" long, description says Green Tape.

The T6 is 14-1/4" long, description says Blue Tape.

What was so different in '66 that the cables could be that much shorter? Funny to me that the man trans tripower needed a 1/4" longer cable.

And the descriptions called out the tape color, no such identifier associated with either the '64 or '65 cable descriptions. Not to say the '64 or '65 didn't have tape color identifiers, but it is curious that they aren't noted in the description if in fact they did exist.

Can't help with that answer.

Bill, you noted the difference between the length of the 9777043 and the 9777042.

Assuming the 9777043 had no design changes over the years it was offered, we should expect all of them were 1 hole tabs. And 17-3/4" long. And the reddish/orange tape color. I mention this because there is the possibility that 9777043 started out as a 3 hole tab and was revised to a 1 hole tab somewhere along the way, before it was listed as discontinued the end of 1981 according to the Parts History Catalog.

Bill, wonder if you have pix of it prior to install and if not, maybe get some decent "as installed" pix to compare to others?

You mentioned the 18-3/4" long 4 bbl cable. Any chance you have one of those or are you identifying it according to the MPC description for it?

Would be very useful to find an NOS 9777042 to see if it has a 1 hole tab. And to confirm that it is really 18-3/4" long.

At the very least, would be useful to know if anybody has a 1 hole tab end on their 4 bbl '64 original cable.

Or even to confirm one with a 3 hole tab and get the dimensions of it so I can compare with my own.

[60sstuff]

Originally Posted by War eagle

I noted the pinch clamp on the power steering RETURN line to pump. I have never seen this on any cars I have come across. My 64, 65 GTO`s both use the clamp I pictured as well as similar year Chevelles. I don`t think the pinch clamp is correct. Most parts that get attached from the frame to the engine are made so that on the assembly line, installation and later removal possible. The pinch clamp would not be in that category and would have to be destroyed to remove the hose. It may be correct on the other end of the hose, but not to the pump. Anyway I know I have never encountered it in that location in 50 years.

OEM Pinch Clamps (#725) at both ends of P/S return hose on two True Survivors.

First pic - 1965 GTO 12E, BAL Built

Second pic - 1966 GTO 01B, BF Built

FYI - The 1966 Tempest Chassis Shop manual shows pinch clamps on both ends of return hose. Page 9A-18

PS - There is a guy locally that is the Original owner of a 66 Olds 442 and his P/S return hose has a pinch clamp at each end also.

[JAKE 64]

For 1964

Not sure how clear these photos are going to be, but my April, 1964 GTO is identical to the 9A-33 illustration (Same illustration used in the 1st version of the Restoration Guide, pg. 247). All fittings, clamps, etc. are the same. Although not clear in the illustration, the lower clamp on the return hose is the pinch style. While the clamp size is facing the engine and not readable, I could make out the Corbin symbol. Only this one clamp is the pinch style, with the clamp at the opposite end of the return hose the screw (straight blade) type as shown in the illustration.

War Eagle:

By removing the upper clamp, and removing the hose from the reservoir, you are now free to unscrew the opposite end of this hose by the fitting, allowing the removal of the hose from the assembly leaving the pinch clamp intact. (I believe -memory fading - this is how I would have had to have done it some two decades ago when I prepped these original hoses.)

The last picture is of a later model hose (I thought I had taken it out of a '65 Tempest, but maybe not) and is provided with two .725 Corbin type pinch clamps.

[Dick Boneske]

The '64 that I bought new with a 4 bbl. had three holes in the throttle cable. When I installed a '62 Tripower in '65, I remember how the center hole worked out "just right."

I also remember the famous Ansen Ball Bearing Linkage!!! Using that with the original stiff vacuum linkage end carb return springs was an engineering marvel! It's amazing we didn't crash & burn with those parts.

[War eagle]

Thanks Jake. Your pics are exactly like my car(s) hose clamp. I think Dick`s car is a KC build, as are mine. Where was your April car built please?

Could be a plant thing as John suggested, and with all of my cars from KC, could explain 1964-66 using the removable hose clamp.

[60sstuff]

Original 12,000 mile big car with P/S.

[War eagle]

The 60`stuff clamp is again another design. The screw type clamp I found on my car is marked WITTEK MFG CO. 3 CHICAGO ILL This the same on the 64 and 65 KC built cars. No date code that I can see. I assume the 3 is the size.

[John V.]

After rechecking the Shop Manual, I think the illustration is exactly the clamp 60sstuff has posted. I thought I was seeing the band as 2 metal strips separated by an open space. But now I think it is depicting the offset pressed into the band between the outer edges. Probably done to give it better rigidity.

No doubt different vendors could have been approved with style differences.

The other type of clamp is apparently called an ear clamp.

Jake, you mentioned you could make out the "Corbin" symbol. I'd be interested in you rechecking. A company called "Oetiker" seems to be a prominent supplier of this type of clamp. There are many different styles, this is a different type of 1 ear but shows a logo that you can compare to.

http://www.mscdirect.com/product/det...&item=48546964

I couldn't find any mention of Corbin for this style clamp. Just curious.

Dick, thanks for the 3 hole tab input. Still need to collect overall length data so I can compare with mine.

[Option 382]

Originally Posted by War eagle

My point is does the tape actually show up on original cars? My 65 with 4bbl does not have it. 46,000 miles

RAII 4 speed's car and my car has this throttle cable tape.

[bill ryder]

John V. These are pics of the 9777042 cable, I believe, that I purchased in 1991 as a 9777043. This cable does measure 18 3/4. I put the red tape on myself around the same time. "Bill"!

[JAKE 64]

For 1964

W.E.

The photos below are off a 4 barrel, April Baltimore car. I can't find notes on this cable, but if my memory serves me right (which it hardly does anymore), I thought there were two tags, barely clinging to the black cable. I believe one was white, with some of the letters/numbers still legible. I believe the second one was tan with a gloss surface. If there ever were letters/numbers on this second tag, they were not visible. During the restoration process, both tags fell off, and I have them stored away in some obscure can or envelope. With the cable mounted, any measurement of length would not be accurate.

John V.

All cables I posted earlier in Post No. 73, including this post, utilizes the U-shaped clip (clevis), and this was carried into and used in 1965. I have access to cars through late May, and they still are not using the plastic Stop.

The center cable I show for the 4 barrel in Post No. 73 still carries part of the tag, with the tag indicating Part No. 9777042.

Sorry to send you on a wild goose chase, but when I saw the symbol (a triangle with its top cut off and flipped upside down with a C inside) and the C, my mind went to Corbin. It is indeed the Oetiker, and utilizing a telescoping mirror, is sized at .725.

[bill ryder]

Hi Jake, just curious. What is the wire in the background of pic 2 with the excess looped and wrapped in white tape??? "Bill"!

[60sstuff]

Jake, I have a question also.

Just wanting to learn more on the 64's. What is the black hose or taped wire in the metal wire loom at top of LH valve cover?

My folder of 64 Tri-Power and 4BBL. cars does not show a wire loom on the LH side of engine, only the RH side??? Possibly a 4BBL. Automatic loom only to secure a vacuum hose to diaphragm at front of carb??


PS - Bill, I think you may be referring to the looped up steel vacuum line that threads into a vacuum fitting block which in turn threads into the carb base??

[JAKE 64]

For 1964

60sstuff:

Yes, this wire/hose loom is used to secure the Automatic transmission vacuum hose. Those cars showing the single loom on the right side would be for the manual transmissioned cars. I'm not sure why they needed a metal loom for this hose, as it is fairly heavy and stiff, although after 50 years, I guess it has a right to be.

Bill:

What you are seeing is the brown tach wire, and actually the factory applied this tan tape twice. The wire proceeds down, loops back up, then down again, forming a 8.5 in. loop.

[bill ryder]

THANKS Jake, And I'm sure that loop is completely BEFORE the fuse holder, not including the little bit of extra after the fuse holder?? And the tape is a light tan, or maybe off white? Is the tape plastic or cloth??? As always, THANKS SO MUCH!!!! "Bill"!

[JAKE 64]

For 1964

Bill, the fuse holder is to the passenger side of the loop. You can see the holder between the ignition wires (I haven't forgotten) in the last (5th) photo.
The tape is paper like, something akin to masking tape.

[60sstuff]

Jake,

Good Stuff! Some of the pics are very informative and show how the SUPER RARE 4BBL. is supposed to look like.

Thank You!

[60sstuff]

Originally Posted by bill ryder

Hi Jake, just curious. What is the wire in the background of pic 2 with the excess looped and wrapped in white tape??? "Bill"!

I see what you are looking at now. New lesson on 64 stuff!

This will be added to the 64 file!

[bill ryder]

Thanks Jake. I have not forgot you measurement request either. Hopefully, I will be getting the car back out in early Sept. "Bill"!

[JAKE 64]

Originally Posted by 60sstuff

Jake,

Good Stuff! Some of the pics are very informative and show how the SUPER RARE 4BBL. is supposed to look like.

Thank You!

For 1964

Because it isn't one of those run-of-the-mill tripowers, is why we can ask $265,000 for our cars!!
You would think that with 38,635 '64 GTO tripowers on the road, we'd be able to nail down something as simple as a throttle cable!

You're welcome.