[dld]

what did I miss on this . on my judging sheets. comments were throttle cable and bolts wrong. cable nylon sleeve. I'm ok with sleeve. also carb base's

not sure bolts wrong on what

Give thoughts please I'm prepping for next year

also pan and foam 1 point off . this is a real r/a pan ??

[60sstuff]

At a quick look, the throttle cable bracket has a wrong style top bolt into intake. Should be a flat head bolt typically with the letter "L" or "P" cast in top.

Yes, the broken throttle cable sleeve is points off.

First pic is my 66 which was the same as the second pic that shows a 65 bolt.

[dld]

Thanks , my thought on cable was better than repro. i'm looking to fix that

yes i see what you mean Thanks

[Option 382]

The Ram Air pan has one side that is pointed and the other side is oval. The pointed side should point towards the front, yours looks to be on backwards but I can't tell for sure from the picture.

[Option 382]

I bet the 1 point off for the ram air pan is that you entered your car in for the concours judging (the way the car came out of the factory) and NO '65 came with a ram air pan from the factory = 1 pont off.

[Jerry H.]

Originally Posted by Option 382

The Ram Air pan has one side that is pointed and the other side is oval. The pointed side should point towards the front, yours looks to be on backwards but I can't tell for sure from the picture.

I'm trying to figure out how you can put a Ram Air pan on backwards?? Maybe they dinged him because the foam was 'dented' on the corner.

Dld, you will correct what you think you got dinged for this year, and next year a different set of judges will find a couple of more 1 point problems in other areas that this years judges didn't catch. Been down that road before. You have a beautiful car!

[60sstuff]

Minor thing, but that push on spark plug wire separator is not factory.

65 and 66 only had a 3-way plastic plug wire separator on the RH side.

[Option 382]

The nuts that hold the thottle bodies to the intake manifold should be black.
The accelerator pump arms should have the linkage in the top hole coming from the factory.

[Dick Boneske]

The GTOAA judges dinged me on the throttle cable on my '64 last year, saying it was a repro. I've had this throttle cable since the '80's--which is before there were any repros made. Also got dinged for frayed ground cable on passenger inner fender, brake resevoir natural instead of black, wrong alternator number, wrong fan clutch, HO exh. manifolds ('67 version), oil accumulated on fuel pump, dirt under rear of body (from driving to Dayton), wrong exh. splitters, Phillips screws holding washer hoses, and a piece of debri in the paint next to the trunk lid.

Still managed 640 points out of 700 for Concours Gold Restored. Now, with the judging sheets, I know exactly what is not correct on my '64, which made the effort well worthwhile for me. The judges were extremely polite, thorough, and knowledgeable.

If I choose to correct all the incorrect items on my '64, the result would be closer to 700 points, but getting a perfect score with a car that's actually driven, would be, IMHO, impossible.

[bill ryder]

Hi Dick, My thoughts on judges;
Phillips screws, no brainer. The forum has agreed both are correct, hex or Phillips.
I now know my cable was NOT correct. Almost 25 years to convince me!!! The one I had been using was an 042, 4V cable. I got my hands on an NOS for comparison. Mine was the proverbial inch longer. I bought it in 1990 as NOS 3X2 043 cable. The 3X2 has a whitish gray plastic sleeve and is 17 1/2 long. 4V is 18 1/2 long. Mine had a blueish sleeve. So that is replaced now.
Fan clutch definitely wrong.
Splitters wrong.
The master cyl. is pretty close to mine. Mine is a little darker gray or cast. This year was the first time an judges had said anything about it and the carb bases. I was always under the impression black oxide started dark gray and turned more blackish with age.
As we all know, this forum is way ahead of correctness as compared to judging standards.
Soooo, if one wants a 100 point car, it must be restored to the judges beliefs, not necessarily to correctness!!! "Bill"!

[Option 382]

Originally Posted by bill ryder

Soooo, if one wants a 100 point car, it must be restored to the judges beliefs, not necessarily to correctness!!! "Bill"!

Well said!

[dld]

I know a lot of things are judgement calls that will never have consistency.Just thying to hit the forsure"s.

what do you guys think about

1 master cyl nuts wrong
2 wire running on bottom of m/cyl not on top as should be
3 data tag ??? -1 point on that (condition)
4 regulator cover wrong label (Delco Remy not correct layout)

looking to knock some points off. he banged me for 35 points just on engine compartment. gotta get some for them back.

[62 bv]

i think it hard to get 100 if you dont have the same judges every time or if they would stick to one set of rules for all of us to go by just my own thoughts

[RAII 4-speed]

My original Master Cyl is black and the cap is not Cad/gold color it is natural in color.
I also have a NOS Master cyl that is exactly the same as the one on my car.

[dld]

I do see were your wire harness does run over the m/cyl. nuts look same though. can you take pic of regulator cover

[Tom Vaught]

I got dinged at the Nationals in Bloomfield Hills on a bunch of stuff and my car was 99% original.
Tri-Power "Curved Linkage" was Wrong, Tri-Power carb main bodies were wrong for the date of the car built,
(We know from previous posts at least two casting numbers used).

I will just say that the Judges THINK they know the answers and sometimes they are just wrong. Take it with a grain of salt.

Tom V.

ps Your engine looks great with the "Curved linkage", Dick!

[RAII 4-speed]

Originally Posted by dld

I do see were your wire harness does run over the m/cyl. nuts look same though. can you take pic of regulator cover

just took these...... MY CAR ALSO IS TI ignition equipped ...

[dld]

very helpful Thanks for pics . thats the same reg cover I have that was wrong.

Don't take it that I think i'm wright. I agree with most what they pick upon Mr. T was cool, easy to deal with I thought was very good at his job. Ken that did the interior explained what he did not like. His son that did the bottom was nice guy and also explained a few things that needed attention.only 5 points off on bottom. But the engine guy did not talk. I think I should have asked more questions.

[RAII 4-speed]

I agree the reg covers look the same to me and mine is the one installed from the factory.

[Option 382]

The nuts that hold on your brake reservoir seem to not have the depth that the original nuts would have (longer nut).

The cowl tag: Some plants put caulking to fill in where they attached to tag to the firewall. Yours look like it got carried away with the caulking (my guess on the point loss).