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Old 03-04-2024, 04:16 PM
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Default headers size for 68 Firebird

What size headers would be required to support a 750 hp engine? Round port.

Looking at a set of Doug's 1-7/8" for a 68 Firebird.

Also wondering if they will fit a 68 Firebird?

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Old 03-04-2024, 05:09 PM
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This might be helpful

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...errerid=134156

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Old 03-04-2024, 05:20 PM
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Posted for conversation...

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/he...s-performance/

Note on the graph it states "inside" diameter. Take note of the tubing used on the headers involved, are they based on a popular 16 gauge or 18 gauge materiel.

Example if 16 gauge: .062" thick x 2 sides = 0.124"


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Paul would larger headers mask a poor cam selection?
Meaning, if the cam is not correctly spec'd would larger headers add more power.

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Old 03-04-2024, 08:28 PM
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I use 2" tubes on my car at around 700 Hp.

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The handy chart above, again based on the inside diameter.


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Paul would larger headers mask a poor cam selection?
Meaning, if the cam is not correctly spec'd would larger headers add more power.
Hi John..... No, I don't think so.

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I believe 1 7/8 would work fine. I used a set of Doug's recently and had to clearance them on the idler arm and power steering box . These were round ports. The mad dog headers fit well I hear if you can get a set.

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We tried some 1 3/4-1 7/8 step-real short 1 3/4 section and about as big as port on a friend's 650 HP 462 E head roller motor and lost 40 HP and a lot of TQ vs the 2" he had. Used some modified GTO Hookers to fit his 63 Tempest.

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