FAQ |
Members List |
Social Groups |
Calendar |
Search |
Today's Posts |
#1
|
||||
|
||||
1963 Zone 16 Charlotte NC Dealer # 460 ?
Anyone have a good source for the 63 dealers? My Cat drag car came from NC apparently zone 16 dealer 460 would like to ID dealer specifics . Thanks
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#2
|
||||
|
||||
I found this search engine https://ncrs.org/dealercodes.php a Chevy dealer came up but don't know yet if they also had Pontiacs . It is in NC though and the town actual has old abandoned drag strip ! Low Country Cooper River/ Low Country Dragway
Zone 16 Dealer Number 460 LOWCOUNTRY LOVE CHEVROLET, INC. PO BOX 518 MONCKS CORNER South Carolina 29461 Next step is do dig into 1962 1963 HS yearbooks online and look at sponsors as it is a great way to find local dealers info
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Good Luck !
Let us know what you find out. |
#4
|
||||
|
||||
Chevy used different numbers for different zones and dealers.
Nothing will correlate to the Pontiac zone 16 or the dealer number 460. Buicks are different also. (probably all the different manufacturers are) I have lots of Pontiac dealers but use the Buick numbering system. Not relevant to Pontiac zone/dealer #'s;
__________________
John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
#5
|
||||
|
||||
I kinda figured they wouldn't correlate but both are in South Carolina and since most dealers carried several GM Makes then would one dealer have more than one ID # ?
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#6
|
||||
|
||||
Basically, yes.
(the location doesn't mean much other than has to be in the zone area though) The same dealer would have a Buick dealer number (for their Buicks) and one for Pontiacs and another if also GMC for example. Not same zone number of dealer number. Pontiac seemed to have basically alphabetical order to the dealer numbers in a zone. Like for the 460 in zone 16, the dealer could be between Parker Pontiac and Quality Pontiac. So possibly a dealer starting with a 'P'.
__________________
John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
#7
|
||||
|
||||
Thanks for the tips John and appreciate your great website as well :~)
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#8
|
||||
|
||||
I found a list of IH dealers that could be of some help to others .
Some Pontiac dealers were also International Harvester http://www.ihdealerspast.net/states/mt_nc.pdf Your un-numbered dealer (Payne Truck and Tractor) also goes as Payne Pontiac-Buick Boone Road West Jefferson NC <--1976 And some Payne Pontiac-Buick golf tees https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-EST...-/302671988597 Between here as you said 16 431 Oglesby Pontiac-Buick Inc, 160 North First St, Wytheville, VA 24382 From Darryl (gdarrylk@earthlink.net) 16 ??? Payne Truck and Tractor, West Jefferson, NC (out of business) From Robert George (REG@twave.net) 16 464 Quality Pontiac Inc, 1226 Roanoke Ave, Roanoke Rapids, NC From (Joanm3boys@aol.com) '69 Judge
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg Last edited by PONTIAC LARRY; 03-20-2018 at 10:38 AM. |
#9
|
||||
|
||||
That's cool!
Thanks, Larry. Never knew that about the IH dealers? I'll add those Pontiac dealers. That could be close to the 460 dealer possibly.
__________________
John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
#10
|
||||
|
||||
Here is my local Ennis TX lost local dealer I finally identified. Supposed that a RAIV Judge and a 69 TA with RAV came thru here. This was the first time I saw IH included .
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#11
|
||||
|
||||
You know the dealer number and zone number for that one?
__________________
John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
#12
|
||||
|
||||
Not yet . Sorry
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#13
|
||||
|
||||
Never heard that one before either. In my neck of the woods it seems the Pontiac dealers typically also sold GMC trucks, while the IH farm implement dealers sold IH trucks.
|
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Any idea when Payne Pontiac-Buick was in business?
Another possibility could be Paul's Pontiac-Buick in Chester, SC. But without knowing when these dealers were operating, impossible to know if they were in biz in '63. You could ask PHS. You might have to purchase their repro Window Sticker but PHS has the most extensive list of Pontiac dealer codes from that era. You could also check with Mike Noun, he has collected an extensive list of codes in the course of generating his more authentic Window Sticker reproductions. |
#15
|
||||
|
||||
Thanks for the suggestion John ! I saw PHS Musclecars (Facebook) was online today and sent a message to them saying I just got my packet and had the Zone 16 # 460 and asked if they had a list of the names and addresses to go with thatand sure enough got a reply with Perkin's Pontiac Thomasville NC !
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#16
|
||||
|
||||
I'm pretty sure that's where our '61 Catalina came from also.
__________________
1999 WS6 Formula, 1 of 175 1967 GTO Linden Green 4 spd, A/C, survivor 1967 Lemans convt 1967 Firebird 400 bench seat, deluxe interior, auto 1965 GTO 462, KRE unported D-port heads, Bullet 234/244 cam, th400, tight 10" converter, 3.73 gears, 87 octane, 3440 lbs. empty,1.59 60ft, 7.159@95.33 (1/8), a real daily driver, been totaled, rolled 3 times, hit a tree airborne. 1961 Catalina 2 door htp 1960 Ventura 4 door htp wife's car 1960 B'ville 2 door htp 1960 Catalina Wagon wife's car too |
#17
|
||||
|
||||
This one is on our '61..
|
#18
|
||||
|
||||
Here are some images I found a simple 63 ad in the yearbook that year and they sold Ramblers ..haha A few dealer collectible images I found that already sold. Also some older cool adds from newspapers. back to drag racing and see how far in the 7's she will go (1/8th)
__________________
63 Catalina coupe 455 budget drag car 11's 1/4 , 7.4 1/8th 66 Star Chief Executive 57k mile 69 Le Mans 2 dr HT 350 85k mile 15 sec 1/4 69 Firebird 400 Burgandy/Black 70 Olds Rallye 350 F85 4 speed 3.91's 70 Olds Cutlass Cruiser Red Wagon 350 101k miles 15 sec 1/4 12 sec w 455 74 Cheyenne Super C10 LWB Gen 6 454 w ZZ502 cam 3.07gear 13.1 1/4, 8.3 1/8 2020 RAM 1500 SLT 4x4 5.7 A8 Hemi 2007 Hummer H3 3.7 liter turd 2019 Chevy Spark petrol car 38 mpg |
#19
|
||||
|
||||
Cool!
__________________
John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
#20
|
||||
|
||||
My 64 is from a nearby dealer, Morgan Motor Company of Albemarle, NC. If you go to the NC DMV website there is a form that allows you to request the title history of your car. Write that you need the information for restoration purposes. I did it for mine and they sent me the original registration and statement of origin (from microfilm) for the car. It cost $11. Very worth your time.
__________________
Frank (Catalina) Tupka 1964 Pontiac Catalina Ventura Sports Coupe Connecticut Pontiac Association |
Reply |
|
|