[60sstuff]

The “Paint Code” on 64-65 Tempest Series Fremont data plates use the letter “A” to signify Black painted wheels.

This third letter (wheel color) would be after the lower and upper color codes.

It seems this particular coding stopped in very late 65, and wasn’t used in 66-67 years.

CT.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Would there be an instance where a 64 came with anything other than a black rim ?
(poverty caps and hubcaps the only options)
I have pictures of cowl tags for Red, Silver, Skyline Blue cars - all with the A

What would code be on a 65 with Rally Ones (silver) ?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Have a 65 example coded LL L
Had no wheel or hubcap option (poverty cap car)

[60sstuff]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Would there be an instance where a 64 came with anything other than a black rim ?
(poverty caps and hubcaps the only options)
I have pictures of cowl tags for Red, Silver, Skyline Blue cars - all with the A

What would code be on a 65 with Rally Ones (silver) ?

This pertains only to the BF - Fremont built ‘64 and ‘65 Data plate third letter.

1964 only had the 14x6 steel wheel.

There were several colors available for the wheels with Standard hub cap for a specific body color only.
This letter code would be stamped in the data plate after the lower and upper paint codes.

First pic shows what was available in ‘64.

Second pic is the ‘65 offerings. No code for the Rally I wheels.

Last pic shows a ‘65 Reef Turquoise with Teal Turquoise rims and poverty caps.

CT

[60sstuff]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Have a 65 example coded LL L
Had no wheel or hubcap option (poverty cap car)

That LL L looks like Teal Turquoise lower and upper body color with the Teal wheels and poverty caps.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

All those i listed were Fremont examples.
The 64's (Red, Silver, Skyline) i guess are inconclusive whether they would have had poverty caps, or optional hubcaps. With Code A

So, i guess a 65 Fremont without a 3rd digit would be a Rally One car.
Thats neat to know.
... too bad i don't live in california to start checking up on all the car show cars with R1 wheels on them. lol

[John V.]

Baron, my recollection is that a "-" (dash or dashes) was coded on the '65 Data Plate when Rally Wheels were ordered. Not 100% confident of that and not sure if that applied to Fremont. But there is no letter code associated with them.

I have not researched the '64 Wheel Color usage other than the fact that all builds with a Wheel Cover option (Deluxe, Custom, or late year Wire Discs) got Code A Black Wheels.

Code A Black Wheels were also used for all other exterior color builds without a wheel cover option (including all Special Paint Color builds) with some exceptions.

I have assumed the only exceptions were for the 5 exterior colors for which wheel colors were offered.

The Wheel Color was coded with the same letter as the exterior color.

Yorktown Blue Wheels coded F
Pinehurst Green Wheels coded J
Singapore Gold Wheels coded T
Gulfstream Aqua Wheels coded Q
Saddle Wheels coded S

If that '65 Reef Turquoise GTO (Code K) Paint with Teal Turquoise (Code L) Wheels is a factory combination, it could be that some '64 Paint colors were complemented by a Wheel color that was not identical to the body color.

I don't think I've ever documented such a combination, but I haven't documented very many '64s without a full wheel cover option.

Possible '64 combinations might be:

Skyline Blue with Yorktown Blue Wheels
Aquamarine with Gulfstream Aqua Wheels
Alamo Beige with Saddle Wheels

Would love to know if anybody has documented any such '64 combinations.

The '65 Wheel Colors other than Code A Black were:

Fontaine Blue Wheels coded D
Teal Turquoise Wheels coded L
Capri Gold Wheels coded T

Perhaps a '65 aficionado here might know what other Paint colors each of these wheel colors were combined with for builds without a Wheel Cover option.

I always thought it was interesting that PMD cut back on the number of Wheel Colors in '65 excluding Black, 5 in '63 and '64 but only 3 in '65 and '66.

Baron, good point about the no code being '65 Rally Wheel builds but note that Chris states that the Wheel Code my have been left off the late '65 Fremont Data Plates.

I assume the '65 Billing History Cards always listed the Wheel Color unless the Rally Wheels were optioned, full year.

Another related thing, I think when a Two Tone combination was ordered, the Lower Body Paint Color would have dictated the Wheel Color. Again, such a rare thing, not sure documented examples exist but if somebody knows of one, would love to know about it.

[Option 382]

Originally Posted by John V.

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Baron, good point about the no code being '65 Rally Wheel builds but note that Chris states that the Wheel Code my have been left off the late '65 Fremont Data Plates.

I assume the '65 Billing History Cards always listed the Wheel Color unless the Rally Wheels were optioned, full year.

I collect 1965 Billing History Cards. Attached is a Fremont PHS with rally wheels and a color code of J, according to my records J is Argent Silver in 1965.

[60sstuff]

Originally Posted by Option 382

I collect 1965 Billing History Cards. Attached is a Fremont PHS with rally wheels and a color code of J, according to my records J is Argent Silver in 1965.

Hi Roger ..... that,

That Fremont built 65 is pretty cool.

Rally I wheels with front Aluminum brake drums. Nice.

Chris.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Well this is getting more interesting than i thought it would, as it goes along.

J code for Silver /Rally Ones in 65 - good factoid.
new pontiac police code soon to be enforced at a car show near you ... maybe

The wheel color-to-body color combos for 66 and 67 are known - or mostly known.
A lot of them are non-matching but semi-complimentary colors.
Such as the light and dark turquoise intermix

More BHC's from 64 and 65 with wheel codes other than A would be something to keep an eye out for.
But this is all i have for cars WITHOUT a hubcap option (box 46 blank - and no 411 wire discs)

64 without hubcaps D2 A (silvermist)
64 without hubcaps NN A (sunfire red)
64 without hubcaps VV A (grenadier red)
64 without hubcaps 22 A (anniversary gold)

*64 with option code 465 - SS S (bronze)
*64 with option code 465 - Q1 A (aqua) -- [ Q was also a wheel color - oddity ]
idunno what 465 is (no option breakdown for 1964 on file - but guessing its not a wheelcover)

i'll look over 65's tonight

1964 Exterior:

Starlight Black -A
Cameo Ivory -C
Silvermist Gray -D
Yorktown Blue -F
Skyline Blue -H
Pinehurst Green -J
Marimba Red -L
Sunfire Red -N
Aquamarine -P
Gulfstream Aqua -Q
Alamo Beige -R
Saddle Bronze -S
Singapore Gold -T
Grenadier Red -V
Nocturne Blue -W

[John V.]

Very cool to know, thanks for posting it.

And agreed, quite the high option ‘65. I assume the car exists if you found the BHC record for it. If so, the owner is a lucky guy IMO.

[John V.]

'64 Wheel Cover option codes on the PHS records:

Pontiac Manifest
Deluxe - Sales Code 462
Custom - Sales Code 521
Wire (late year only) - Sale Code 411

Fremont Production Record
Deluxe - P01 COV WHL DEL
Custom - P02 COV WHL SM WR
Wire (very late year only) - N95 WIRE WHL DISC

Note, the verbiage for the Custom Wheel Covers would translate to Simulated Wire Wheel Disc. I believe this was because the P02 option was the Wire Discs in '63 and was carried over to '64 but applied to the Custom (spinner) Discs. On the Window Sticker, the verbiage was different.

KC & Balt Shipping Order
Deluxe - Sales Code 481
Custom - Sales Code 482
Wire (very late year only) - Unknown

Note, be careful when deciphering the wheel color on the KC & Balt records. IIRC, the 3rd character on some of them may not be the wheel color. I covered that issue in my long ago decode article in Smoke Signals but have forgotten the details.

Coolest record I could find quickly was a 4 bbl, 4 spd GTO Hardtop with a Code 9 Wide Ratio M20 and 3.90 axle. COLOR code is Q1U. Gulfstream Aqua with White Cordova Top.

Built at Pontiac. The Wheels must have been Gulfstream Aqua and I must have been wrong about the coding.

Looks like '64 Gulfstream Aqua Wheels were Code U.

Others from the Pontiac Plant were:

HHE, Skyline Blue with Yorktown Blue Wheels.

Another error on my part. Looks like Yorktown Blue Wheels were Code E. My bad for posting the wrong wheel color codes. I think I used to know the correct codes but had forgotten and assumed the codes in my earlier post.

F1E, Yorktown Blue with Yorktown Blue Wheels.

A Fremont GTO Hardtop, PPU. Aquamarine with Gulfstream Aqua Wheels.

I did confirm that Saddle Wheels were Code S. Found them on an SSS build, Saddle Bronze with Saddle Wheels.

Didn't come across any with Pinehurst Green Wheels or Singapore Gold Wheels. So the jury is still out for what the Codes really are for those Wheel Colors for '64.

[jeff chmura]

I have a fremont '65 the came with poverty caps black wheels.....off the top of me head, I don't remember seeing a code for wheel paint.
Original Iris mist car. So PP code
Can post cowl tag and PHS if needed
Jeff

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by jeff chmura

I have a fremont '65 the came with poverty caps black wheels.....off the top of me head, I don't remember seeing a code for wheel paint.
Original Iris mist car. So PP code
Can post cowl tag and PHS if needed
Jeff

Sure Jeff, everything helps on these studies.
Possibly - maybe yours is a late build from after they stopped notating the wheel color codes.

Too bad Iris Mist wasn't used as a wheel color - that would look good together.
I wonder if the reduced selection of wheel colors in 65 was an exercise to prompt more people into ordering hubcaps versus the no-charge poverty caps.

[jeff chmura]

No problem.....I'm at work now....will post tag and PHS tomorrow
FYI... It's a 03C build...
Jeff

[60sstuff]

Late build ‘65 GTO at the “Fremont“ GM Plant.

Capri Gold post car with 6E = 5th week of June 65.

TT paint code. No wheel color code.


1966 “Fremont” build with factory Rally I wheels.
Data plate with CC paint code and No wheel code.

CT

[jeff chmura]

You guys are right on the money.....I do have a letter on the cowl tag! Getting old sucks! Lol
Pic of cowl and PHS .
And yes, the cowl tag was removed by PO and I cleaned it up. It was painted which I found out is not the case with the Fremont built cars
Reinstalled with correct rivets. The dum dum makes it look out of place

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Thanks Jeff, at least we know another IrisMist car has survived.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Here is the example i have that bucks the standard.
There's always at least one

64 Gulfstream Aqua (Q) with no hubcap option (poverty caps)
But lists black wheel code (A) on PHS

Checked all my 65 BHC's and the LL L car was the only one of any interest.
Didn't even have one single example that was Rally One optioned. [ shameful ]

[John V.]

Baron, I "hate" exceptions! And a Balt build to boot, for which decode is more difficult and for which I have fewer records than any other '64 Plant.

But before I say "misbuild", I will take a fresh look at my records to see if I can uncover a reason for the exception.

Some combinations that I can say with confidence always had Code A Black Wheels in '64 include:

Code A - Starlight Black
Code C - Cameo White
Code D - Silvermist Gray
Code L - Marimba Red
Code N - Sunfire Red
Code V - Grenadier Red
Code W - Nocturne Blue

I have numerous records for each of these Paint Color builds, always with Code A Black Wheels.