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I'd rather sit in the staging lanes surrounded by a bunch of other brands and have people be amazed I still have a "Pontiac" engine in it and ask all kinds of questions instead of just being another Pontiac in an all Pontiac race.
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74 GTO Bracket/Street car and another 74 for the wifey to race with! 70 GTO 400, 4 spd, #'s matching and a little to nice for me to own. Friendship is like peeing your pants..everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth! Last edited by Rob B; 06-16-2015 at 11:44 AM. |
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Mike forgot to mention my vote for the most bizarre and fun race we ever did...Grocery Getter vs. jet car at the World Series.
Eric
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HEY..........I ran an Alky funny car at Norwalk! GTO George |
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I have been truly blessed and can spend as much as I want during a year’s time on racing budget. I can assure you the money I did not spend last weekend will be spent at a racetrack somewhere this year. Yes I remember your car at that event. As I recall since we all are racing a clock from one end of the track to the other you did not get beat by a traditional Pontiac engine. You got beat by the same good driver as I did. He took care of me at the tree and I ran within one hundred of my number. Where did he take care of you at? When we exchanged post in the thread about that Pontiac event you and others were very nice to talk with. Your statement back then was “you were the number 1 loser”. As I recall your GTO ran well and we even lined up against each other one time. I remember thinking while going down the track and looking over into my REARVIEW mirror that black goat is running good. Of course you were still behind me at the finish line. Now that I know how you feel that must have hurt seeing that Pontiac with a 346 CI LS powered engine in it collect it’s time slip at the ticket booth before you. As Walter Brennan use to say “No Bragg just Fact” Just like you I have no interest in going to a as you put it a "super chebby weekend" now I do enjoy going to a Pontiac event to try and help anyone that is promoting an event that helps the brand of vehicle I enjoy spending time working on and driving on nice weekends. No crying here just seeing the same old thinking that probably ended the manufacturing of the brand of cars I like. As stated before let's agree to disagree and go on about our business. N2 |
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Yes I get the picture. You race a car that most everyone thinks is a NOVA not a GTO and it does not have one single 40+ year old traditional Pontiac produced engine part left in the engine bay!!! Proceed N2 |
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When you start making HP..........you'll start replacing your factory parts! LOL! Just kidding! Have a nice day Oh by the way I'm sure some track are have a Super Chevy race! GTO George Last edited by GTOGEORGE; 06-17-2015 at 08:40 AM. |
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I fully agree with this post, if your going to grow a Pontiac event you have to allow all Pontiacs to race. At Norwalk for years I have watched the LS corporate/or SBC powered cars run the Stratostreak cars and have always pulled for the Stratostreak to win. Sometimes they win, and sometimes they don't. If they get beaten by the corporate engine in a late model car, then they need to work a little harder next time. If the purist never runs against a corporate engine, how do they know if they have the power to beat one? Maybe they need to step up their program a bit more. I own both type of Pontiacs with both type of engines. My past race cars were Stratostreak powered, and I have a variety of street cars with both powerplants. Everything in my driveway except for my IH wrecker and my Shoveorleaveit 4X4 dually are Pontiacs (even though its a chevy, it has a corporate Detroit Diesel 6.5 turbo diesel). I don't own a Pontiac classic and drive a Honda, Toyota, etc. for my daily driver. Lots of the purists do not drive a Pontiac for a daily driver. So you own a Pontiac race car/or show car, and your daily driver is? I don't know about anyone reading this, but if your daily driver is something else beside a Pontiac isn't that being kind of contradictory? If I'm hearing this correctly from the purist, Pontiac quit making car in 1981 and so you sold out to (insert brand here) for your daily driver? I guess maybe some here have a short memory, but the owners of the Tri Power Nationals tried another venue for a few years (Cordova) to have 2 major Pontiac events during the same year. It was well sponsored and well advertised, however it still fell on it's face and was discontinued after a few years. Pete and Andy Woodruff as well as Steve Ames fully know how to produce a great Pontiac show/race. I doubt there are any people more qualified at doing such an undertaking in the US. From the beginning they knew that they needed as many participants as possible to make a success out of their show and didn't limit corporate powered cars from their race or show. If they did the event known as Norwalk would not exist as it now does, it would be a little rinky dink show with nothing but pre 1981 cars and I doubt it would be half of what it now is. When they run the Nostalgia cars they even invite chevies, fords and mopars to run against the Pontiacs. No other Pontiac show does that, so why complain about corporate powered Pontiacs showing up? All Pontiac show/race promoters aspire to have another Norwalk, and many of them shoot themselves in the foot right from the beginning by limiting their particpants to pre 81 cars. Even the Woodruffs and Steve Ames couldn't make another show like Norwalk. If you cut out participants from 1982-2010 you really cut your odds for success. Take the formula that already works and include the post 82 cars, because reinventing the wheel isn't going to work. There are a lot of people that own post 82 Pontiacs that consider themselves Pontiac people and take lots of pride in their rides, why cut them out and limit your attendance? If a Pontiac came from the factory with a corporate engine let them in, their not going to change any of the purists minds and have the racers switching to corporate power. FWIW, GM and Pontiac didn't start swapping powerplants in 1981, it was going on long before many here were born. GMC has done it, Pontiac has done it, Chevy has done it, as well as Buick and Olds. It goes back into the 50s, maybe further, and runs until GM formed their Powertrain division in the mid 90s. Now all powertrains are GM branded and are true corporate engines, there is no Chevy, Buick, Cadillac or GMC, engines, they all come from GM powertrain division. Even the chevy purists have a problem with no BB or SBC engines in the newer cars/trucks. That's correct LS engines are not chevy engines, they are GM Powertrain designed and built. Even the chevy purists know that an LS engine isn't a chevy engine, however some here feel they are. They probably didn't switch to a Japanese car or a ford or mopar for their D/D though. When I raced dirt track car I felt wonderful beating the other brands that were supposedly superior to a Pontiac Stratostreak engine. We've all heard how Pontiacs are rod chuckers and nothing more than good boat anchors. These guys are the ones that need shut up by a sound trouncing. Big Chief just in last weeks episode beat the hottest chevy (Murder Nova) on Street Outlaws with a Pontiac with less displacement. Justin gets real satisfaction beating the chevys with his Pontiac. You don't hear him crying when he got beaten twice by the guy from Louisiana, he just said he's got more work to do to prove he is king of the street racers, with a junk Pontiac Stratostreak engine.................................. No whining, make your car quicker. There is no need to whine and complain, if you beat the guy in the other lane!!! The victory says it all............... When the green flag drops, the bullsh!t stops. I'm done, proceed with the floggings until morale improves........ |
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Best ET to date, 10.16 @ 131 in my other Black GTO. Not that the first one to the ticket booth wins anything.
Enough about us. Let's shake hands & go racin.
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3 Generations of "Beach Boys Racing" ! Everybody knows somthin. Nobody knows everything ! 1st time on a dragstrip, 1964. Flagstart ! "Thanks for the entertainment." "Real Indians Don't Wear Bowties" Last edited by Old Goat Racer; 06-17-2015 at 10:48 AM. |
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(like Steve Barcak's Pontiac Heaven event) I look at it as any day of the week I am racing the 'other' brands. I am die hard Pontiac, bleed Pontiac, and race Pontiac. The only reason I go to the 'Pontiac' events is because there is only Pontiacs there. And the races I run I want it to be Pontiac powered (not corporate). (as I wouldn't expect Super Chevy to cater to other brands) They usually have classes for the other Pontiacs to race, just not in the Pontiac engine classes. (like Super Pro at Norwalk) I have no problem with N2RacingV8's racing his Pontiac, just expect a Pontiac event to be mainly for the early Pontiac engine. If he likes racing as he said, no problem, there is always a track running somewhere. This being a Pontiac event and put on by Pontiac people, they can set there rules up as they see fit. Now possibly if they decide they need more money, they can expand to a BOP event like Zeek probably did because they couldn't pull the people. (and still couldn't get a turn-out?) N2RacingV8's, are you racing where George is at this week? There you can race all you want and have a chance to win a lot more money. (and have some Pontiacs there)
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Did you ever go to any of the Pontiac/PY in the parks events Jim put on years back or the more recent one he put on at Maple Grove a few years back in conjunction with the PY open house Event???? When was the last time you went to ANY Pontiac event?? All of those events pulled a helluva lot more cars than just 20. And the Maple Grove event had minimal advertising and was still a bigger success than the Pontiac US Nationals. There was never a BOP event done by Jim, however that might have been the smart thing to do this past weekend to draw the cars, racers, and spectators. Your throwing out all this BS fodder about how these shows should be run, what should be allowed, etc but you don't participate in any of them past your monitor and keyboard. How can you have a "pulse" on the state of the hobby if you never participate in the events?? I'll at least give George some credit and respect because he try's to attend these events, duck tape and all.
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74 GTO Bracket/Street car and another 74 for the wifey to race with! 70 GTO 400, 4 spd, #'s matching and a little to nice for me to own. Friendship is like peeing your pants..everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth! |
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Duct tape...........you're killing me!
I made it to Maple Grove also made it to Cordova, Kil Kare, IRP, & Route 66 drag Strips for Pontiac Races. GTO George Last edited by GTOGEORGE; 06-17-2015 at 02:15 PM. |
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I raced at Norwalk, Cordova, Rt 66, Sikeston, Butler's, Dallas and other Pontiac events. Never made it to the north east coast events, mainly they weren't all Pontiac or couldn't get time off to go. I raced every week at our local track since 1986 when it opened back up. Raced at Indy, Rt 66, Gateway and other tracks when they had bigger races or 'Nostalgia' type of races. How about you? How long have you been racing? Won anything?
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GTO George |
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My helmet expires in 2017. I probably won't buy a new 1
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Just an FYI, I didn't retire from racing, just retired from work.
But I have been living my life as I want, just more things to do right now. Getting the dragster ready and possibly my 70 Formula. (been 20 years since I had it out, since building the dragster)
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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That's because your old.......
or drive a slower car!
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74 GTO Bracket/Street car and another 74 for the wifey to race with! 70 GTO 400, 4 spd, #'s matching and a little to nice for me to own. Friendship is like peeing your pants..everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth! Last edited by Rob B; 06-17-2015 at 03:40 PM. |
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When I was younger, I ran points for some years in the late 80's early 90's and represented my track at the Division 3 finals every September I raced points. I made it to the semi's one year at the bracket finals and have gone rounds every time I was there. I quit racing points because of the BS and commitment that goes with doing that when I had my kids, but I still raced. There were also years that I was lucky to get out a couple of times but I still did. There were years my car was apart so I'd either run my truck, another daily driver, or more recently, steal the old lady's car when she wasn't looking, but I still got out and raced. I know the trends and what's going on, do you??? Really??? I've had my fair share of wins, more than I care to think about Bridesmaids outings, and can go some rounds with the best of them. But I also don't bring up and live in my "glory days" of racing, and I think (outside of right now) I'm pretty modest of my racing "career" to this point. I would prefer to go to a track or a race where there actually is a car count and some competition compared to something that just occurred this past weekend, that's no fun in my eyes. I understand your point of some of the other internet racer your referring to but I'm sorry, you have no room to talk. When was the last time you won anything?
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74 GTO Bracket/Street car and another 74 for the wifey to race with! 70 GTO 400, 4 spd, #'s matching and a little to nice for me to own. Friendship is like peeing your pants..everyone can see it but only you can feel the warmth! Last edited by Rob B; 06-17-2015 at 03:45 PM. |
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You need to look at the overall picture here, if this hobby is going to last more than another 10-15 years there are going to have to be younger people brought into the arena. That means all Pontiacs need to be welcome at these events, not just pre 81 cars. Keep your head in the sand and you'll probably see one at a time these events will go by the wayside. Mismanagement killed the division, and mismanagement will also kill the hobby. The writing is on the wall here, either read it and weep, or do something positive to help the hobby. Excluding more people and cars will do nothing to help the hobby sustain, or grow. Carry on.......................... John, to answer your question, I've not been going to Norwalk since the very beginning. I started attending in the mid 90s, and at that time corporate powered cars were attending it. I'm not sure if originally it was only 1981 and before when it originated. However if it was only pre 82 cars, the management had enough vision to know in the long run excluding post 81 cars was not in their best interest. |
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