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I think you nailed it with regard to why the '71s got no respect. In general the world doesn't really care how hard automotive engineers have to work to overcome the obstacles (fuel quality, emissions, safety, etc.) that are thrown at them. And anyway, increasing displacement wasn't rocket science. Fact is the car was (within driver capability and car-to-car tuning variability) no quicker than a '70. And the 455HO was the "standard" engine (at least in a T/A). The fact that the air flowed through round shaped passages instead of D-shaped passages probably didn't excite too many people back then. Low compression, milder cam, calmer idle, lower RPM.... zzzzzzzzz. By '73 everyone knew the musclecar was a dying breed, and the SD was clearly the "last gasp". That's why there are so many more low mileage SDs around than HOs. People knew when they bought them that they were the last of an era, even if they weren't necessarily quicker than the '70-'72s. As for the separate forum thing... I actually migrated from CP over to PY because I liked the segmentation by model. But lets face it.... there aren't many '70-'73 birds or owners/enthusiasts around, period. Don't really need to try to cut it any finer, IMO. There's only a couple of new/different posts that pop up on most days anyway... is that too much to have to sort through? cheers-
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H/O Forum
Sorry Guys, I must confess, I have strayed. Can I join the H/O forum with this.
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if that puppy still has the 455 i'm good with it.
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NICE Cutlass!
Did you put the mailboxes on the hood?????? |
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I see 2many knows Olds. This is a real Hurst Olds H/O 455 with 49K miles. It still has the original engine, trans, tires, hoses, belts. It is a true survivor. Not run since the first owner put it away in 1976. The car rides great and the engine is very quiet. I thought I was standing next to a Honda, it was that quiet.
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That's a KEEPER!
You still have my old T/A? |
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When I went searching for my first car in '76 I found my '71, but would have jumped at an SD if one presented itself. In those days you searched the classifieds, Hemming's and dealer lots and took the best of what you could find. Over the years I have kept an eye out for a clean SD and they have always been "pricey". I thought $12k, for example, was ridiculous in about '82 for a '73 4 speed SD. Hindsight....... I'll weigh back in on the SD-HO debate....I don't think that an HO is "definitely" faster (and I own an HO!) http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...=534639&page=2 I think that the two are so similar in terms of producing torque and HP that the level of bluepriniting and quality of assembly can make the difference. |
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That is NOT Cutlass my friend! From 68 on they were there own body style,..............442! If you run up against a stock W-30 or even a properly built Olds 455,you'll be humbled more than the "Humbler" can do to you. I'm a Pontiac die hard through and through,but a REAL high perf Olds is a SERIOUSE contender in the muscle car world my friend. Yes,they were big heavy cars,but so were the Goats,but Olds had the torque to twist off arms easily. Sorry,this is the reason for my rant,I sold her less than two weeks ago after owning her since Dec. 1st 1989. She had the orig #'s 400 and this 462 I built,NOTHING on the street didn't give her the due respect. Now,back to the Pontiac love
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1973 T/A Buccaneer Red L-75 A3,83k mi. #'s match 1979 T/A Atlantis Blue W-72 WS6 23k mi.survivor#'s match 1999 T/A Navy Blue 60k mi....babied 1968 442-gone but not forgotten "Oh,you can think about it,.....but don't do it!" Sheriff Bufford T.Justice Last edited by Father&Son73T/A; 10-30-2007 at 10:32 PM. |
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Actually,I do know all about the HO (Hurst Olds) with the mailboxes on the hood & I have NO problem with their engines,especially 455's that were spec'd by HURST! While we're talking about COOL & QUICK A-bodies,the one to beat was the 70 GSX Stage 1.(that's the one that kicked EVERYBODYS butt,right out of the box.) A Buick? IMAGINE THAT! |
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1973 T/A Buccaneer Red L-75 A3,83k mi. #'s match 1979 T/A Atlantis Blue W-72 WS6 23k mi.survivor#'s match 1999 T/A Navy Blue 60k mi....babied 1968 442-gone but not forgotten "Oh,you can think about it,.....but don't do it!" Sheriff Bufford T.Justice |
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Wow, maybe the Olds guys will finally get some respect.
Back to the Buick 455 Stage I. That's the car I am constantly looking out for. It is bad to the bone. But hard to find a good one. |
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loved all the A bodies.had a 67 396 SS in high school,it was a neat car,but the 70-72 bodies were they ones i liked.rims and tires and you had the look,but any of the 455's buick,olds or pontiac you got some respect.
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I think the GSX Stage II with the round ports is one of the best.
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weren't they kind of like the ram air V's where you had to buy them over the parts counter?only a couple proto types built.but yes they would run.stage II,stage I,then any 455 in a 70 and hold on.don't remember hardly any in my area,mostly SS and GTO's.
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I believe that's correct.
The Stage II stuff was NOT available on production cars,only over the counter. You know why there aren't any around? Cause NOBODY BOUGHT THEM! (they're Buicks,RIGHT?) |
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And try to find any Stage II stuff,big money like the RA V. From what I have read,a GS Stage 1 alone had 370 "rated" hp and 510 lbs of torque and was the fastest production muscle car of it's time in the QTR mile. Now,bring in the Hemi's,and I'm not sure.
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1973 T/A Buccaneer Red L-75 A3,83k mi. #'s match 1979 T/A Atlantis Blue W-72 WS6 23k mi.survivor#'s match 1999 T/A Navy Blue 60k mi....babied 1968 442-gone but not forgotten "Oh,you can think about it,.....but don't do it!" Sheriff Bufford T.Justice |
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These were the rich mans "Luxo-muscle cars" Buicks' logo was "Go Fast with Class"
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1973 T/A Buccaneer Red L-75 A3,83k mi. #'s match 1979 T/A Atlantis Blue W-72 WS6 23k mi.survivor#'s match 1999 T/A Navy Blue 60k mi....babied 1968 442-gone but not forgotten "Oh,you can think about it,.....but don't do it!" Sheriff Bufford T.Justice |
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Do you have ANY idea how much that baby is worth? Big money my friend.
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1973 T/A Buccaneer Red L-75 A3,83k mi. #'s match 1979 T/A Atlantis Blue W-72 WS6 23k mi.survivor#'s match 1999 T/A Navy Blue 60k mi....babied 1968 442-gone but not forgotten "Oh,you can think about it,.....but don't do it!" Sheriff Bufford T.Justice |
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The cars appeared to be "stock",but you know how that one goes. The GS Stage 1's SPANKED EVERYTHING including the "overrated" hemi! I'm NOT a big Buick Fan,but my hat is OFF to that car! Last edited by 2manyT/A'S; 10-31-2007 at 09:55 PM. |
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It is only worth what one thinks it's worth. The previous owner has the 68 Hurst Olds also. All original. All... He's not ready yet. I hope that I am first in line. 515 produced,
390HP 510LBS-FT torque. Yahoooooo. If I had to stray from my Pontiacs, these are two of the four cars I am after. The others being 1970 Buick GS 455 Stage I and the 1970 or 1971 Ford Torino Super Cobra Jet 429SCJ. One down, three to go. |
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