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1964 AMBULANCE AND TRAILER
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War Eagle, this is interesting stuff. I did click on the PDF links on your second post and all I got was "Invalid Link, check with administrator". Thanks for posting.*Update, as soon as I posted this, I noticed that your second post with attachments number 6-10 were gone, so I guess just disregard this. Lol*
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Bart I need everything into the reference library. Also can`t download 6 thru 13 to the ref library....keeps saying these are duplicates already submitted.

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since they list the exhaust splitters as a dealer installed option...would they appear on the PHS? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Ron, the "Tail Pipe Extensions" were a factory option listed on the '64 Tempest Order Form, required V8 and Dual Exhaust, Sales Code 422 (UPC N25 on Fremont manifests).

If factory ordered, they WILL be coded on the PHS docs.

They were also offered as a Dealer Accessory Package, in which case you could add them to any '64 Tempest model, single or dual exhaust. If purchased from and/or installed by a Dealer, they would NOT be shown on the PHS record.

The p/ns for the Dealer Accessory Packages were 984333 for the RH side and 984334 for the LH side.

These are the "accessory package" p/ns, NOT the actual p/ns of the extensions themselves (which are also well known). The package included all the necessary mounting hardware, not just the extension. They sold for $11.85 per side according to Eric White's book, a bit more for a pair than was charged when factory installed (this was typical of all accessory packages when compared to the factory option pricing for the same item).

As popular as they seem to be on '64s today, they were very rarely factory ordered.

The SRP list price was $21.30.

I have seen them coded on just 3 Pontiac Plant cars in a quick look thru my manifest records. A late Feb build, a late March build, and a mid June build.

Look for a 2, 3, 6, or 7 in Box 42 on a Pontiac Plant manifest record (depends on what combination of other options coded in that Box were to be included).

The option would be spelled out by name along with the N25 code on a Fremont Plant manifest but I don't think I have any '64 Fremont manifest records showing this option.

Because of the rarity, I was never able to determine the code for them on the '64 KC and Baltimore Plant Shipping Records.

I've heard it suggested that they were not initially offered in '64 as a factory option. All I can say is that the Sales Code 422 option was listed in the '64 Tempest Inspector's Guide, compiling all Engineering Releases prior to Dec 19, 1963. So if not released at the very start, seemingly released by mid Dec.

The late release idea is borne out by the two different versions of the GTO Sales Brochure.

The early undated version says they are "A dealer-installed option.".

The later version dated 4/17/64 includes a number of known verbiage revisions related to option availability and in this version the exhaust splitters are shown as "A factory- or dealer-installed option.".

But Price Lists and the Inspector's Guide seem to point to the idea that if they were a "late" release as a factory option, they could be factory ordered very early in the Model Year.

I'm only aware of one version of the '64 Tempest Order Form. But it is the version that was revised and issued after December. It is entirely possible that a very early '64 Tempest Order Form version did not list Sales Code 422.

I'm also aware that there was reportedly an "early" version with slightly shorter tips that resulted in burned or smudged paint. Consequently a revision with longer tips was released. If so, the p/ns either did not change despite the revision or else nobody has discovered the original unrevised p/ns.

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1965 GTO Royal Bobcat engine compartment from an original road test.









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....a few more pics and closeups...









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Ron, the "Tail Pipe Extensions" were a factory option listed on the '64 Tempest Order Form, required V8 and Dual Exhaust, Sales Code 422 (UPC N25 on Fremont manifests).

If factory ordered, they WILL be coded on the PHS docs.

They were also offered as a Dealer Accessory Package, in which case you could add them to any '64 Tempest model, single or dual exhaust. If purchased from and/or installed by a Dealer, they would NOT be shown on the PHS record.

The p/ns for the Dealer Accessory Packages were 984333 for the RH side and 984334 for the LH side.

These are the "accessory package" p/ns, NOT the actual p/ns of the extensions themselves (which are also well known). The package included all the necessary mounting hardware, not just the extension. They sold for $11.85 per side according to Eric White's book, a bit more for a pair than was charged when factory installed (this was typical of all accessory packages when compared to the factory option pricing for the same item).

As popular as they seem to be on '64s today, they were very rarely factory ordered.

The SRP list price was $21.30.

I have seen them coded on just 3 Pontiac Plant cars in a quick look thru my manifest records. A late Feb build, a late March build, and a mid June build.

Look for a 2, 3, 6, or 7 in Box 42 on a Pontiac Plant manifest record (depends on what combination of other options coded in that Box were to be included).

The option would be spelled out by name along with the N25 code on a Fremont Plant manifest but I don't think I have any '64 Fremont manifest records showing this option.

Because of the rarity, I was never able to determine the code for them on the '64 KC and Baltimore Plant Shipping Records.

I've heard it suggested that they were not initially offered in '64 as a factory option. All I can say is that the Sales Code 422 option was listed in the '64 Tempest Inspector's Guide, compiling all Engineering Releases prior to Dec 19, 1963. So if not released at the very start, seemingly released by mid Dec.

The late release idea is borne out by the two different versions of the GTO Sales Brochure.

The early undated version says they are "A dealer-installed option.".

The later version dated 4/17/64 includes a number of known verbiage revisions related to option availability and in this version the exhaust splitters are shown as "A factory- or dealer-installed option.".

But Price Lists and the Inspector's Guide seem to point to the idea that if they were a "late" release as a factory option, they could be factory ordered very early in the Model Year.

I'm only aware of one version of the '64 Tempest Order Form. But it is the version that was revised and issued after December. It is entirely possible that a very early '64 Tempest Order Form version did not list Sales Code 422.

I'm also aware that there was reportedly an "early" version with slightly shorter tips that resulted in burned or smudged paint. Consequently a revision with longer tips was released. If so, the p/ns either did not change despite the revision or else nobody has discovered the original unrevised p/ns.
Like I said...the amount I DON'T know about these cars still astounds me. Very interesting but like starting over again. Dealing with Fremont cars is just one more twist. Anyway...keeps it interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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hollow rivet rad cap....i always knew they where early...looks like an RC 15 big eared cap too

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Checking for leaks and another GTO almost complete.
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Another photo from the Fremont Plant file.

Checking the tail lamp operation, (center reflux lens).

Lower Body - Alamo Beige
Upper Body - Singapore Gold

Colors are the same as the GTO on ebay recently.

Note, no outside mirror, wipers, rear seat or package tray.

Hey, where is the 1965 Tempest Series information ??????
This thread is about 95% 1964!

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I agree 60sstuff. My original concept for the "library" was to include all things 64-65 Tempest but little presents itself for the 65.
A 20 minute search yields these magazine articles and I am certain that someone out there has a much longer list focused on the 65 GTO or Tempest.

Car Craft March 65
Car & Driver March 65
Car Life May 65
Hot Rod July 65
Motor Trend Sept 64
Motor Trend Feb 65
Motor Trend June 65
Rod & Custom April 65
Rod & Custom July 65

I have not reviewed any of the above. If someone has a longer list maybe use the format from the first post please which gives some idea the magazine content COME ON 65 FOLKS...Donate to the library.

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Plants across U.S. building 1964 "A" bodies. A little earlier pic possibly 62-63 showing the tripower and longbranch engines.
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Cool pics. Tks. For sharing.

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After more encouragement from War Eagle, here is a list of period magazines I have that covered the '65 GTO.

RT = Road Test
GI = General Information
+ = Good useable resto pictures
MA = magazine Ad included
BC = Bobcat Building

Hot Rod, January 65, 1 pg Ad - intro of Hurst Wheels, 2 Pg color Ad of GTO.
Motor Trend, February 65, 47 pages on Pontiac cars inc 4 pgs on GTO, GI, RT.
Motor Trend, February 65, reprint w/ GTO Ad on rear cover.
Speed & Custom, February 65, 5 pgs on Engines, GI.
Car Craft, March 65, 6 pgs on 65 GTO, Detailed tech review.
Popular Hot Rodding, March 65, 4 pgs on the 65 GTO, Drag Test.
Car Craft, April 65, 6 pgs on 65 GTO, Bobcat Installation.
Car Life, May 65, 4 pgs on 65 GTO, GI, RT.
Hot Rod Parts Illust. April 65, 3 pgs on Hurst Wheels.
Car & Driver, May 65, 1 pg article on GTO, won readers choice - best spt sedan over 5L.
Hot Rod, May 65, 2 pg B & W Ad.
Motorcade, May 65, 1 pg article on GTO.
Hot Rod, July 65, 4 pg article on GTO, GI, RT.
SuperStock and Drag Illust. , June 65, article on Beswick.
Road & Track, July 65, 5 pg article on GTO, GI.
Road Test, July 65, 4 pg article on GTO, GI, RT.
SuperStock & Drag Illust. , July 65, 6 pg article on GTO, RT.
Car Life, August 65, 4 pg article on DeLorean, He defends the design: frame flex, no rear anti-roll bar, no disc brakes, handling issues, etc.

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For sale $65,000. Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. Luxury Auto Moto Sale.
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Dockum Pontiac Zone 20 Dealer 199. These are the only collectibles I have been able to stag thru the years and always looking for more. Who else has a Dockum Tempest/Lemans/GTO out there? Post your favorite dealer items here.
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