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Definitely unique. I assume that was to pay homage to UNC Tar Heel blue? What size rims/tires are on there now?

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I would assume the same regarding the UNC local colors.
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I would assume the same regarding the UNC local colors.
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What is the backspacing on the 18s? I'm looking at some 18x8s with 4.5" backspace for my 70 GTO and they're saying anything wider than 225 will rub.

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UNC Tar Heel blue ?
Yes .
In NC , UNC Tarheels are referred to as Carolina [Carolina Blue]
NC State Wolfpack as State
Duke ... is Duke [tarheel fans pronounce it Dookie - yeh that kind of dookie]

UNC fans are so engulfed with their devotion, anything that shade of blue is immediately an infringement on their trademark, and falls under their patent.
They claim that God is a Tarheel fan, and the sky is Carolina Blue.

So its always a special thrill to whoop UNC, when you pull for State or Duke.

98% of Tarheel fans never attended ANY college, most never finished High School.

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What is the backspacing on the 18s? I'm looking at some 18x8s with 4.5" backspace for my 70 GTO and they're saying anything wider than 225 will rub.
HA, I was going to be smart and link to a thread about someone also wanting 18's on their 70. Found it and it was you who started it! I hope you get those 650g's, I REALLY want them on my 72. I think they'd look great when I paint it the stock Revere Silver.

I still think you'll be fine w/18x8's and 4.5" backspace.

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What is the backspacing on the 18s? I'm looking at some 18x8s with 4.5" backspace for my 70 GTO and they're saying anything wider than 225 will rub.

I believe 4.5” backspacing is the only thing available without some kind of a special order. Mine were bought off the shelf and do not rub with 245s in front. I also have 2” drop spindles and tubular control arms. I can’t speak to stock front suspension measurements.


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Also noticed your car was built with column shifter (no console on Invoice).
It looked like an aftermarket floor shifter in the for sale ad with a consolette.

Pretty unique order arrangement combined with Formula steering wheel and tach & gauges.
Definitely a hand picked special order car, with special paint to boot.

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Now that you say it, it originally had a black bench according to PHS. That would have been a column shift, correct? This car has had so many things changed on it. I’m glad to have one that’s unique but still ok to drive anywhere and customize as I’d like.


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I was able to mark the for sale ad as sold. Hopefully it will drop off there one of these days!

Baron, It does have a B&M Pro Stock shifter, which I recently put back in. I also have a full stock console and stock shifter for it. I never got that little console with the cup holders that you saw in the ad!


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I believe 4.5” backspacing is the only thing available without some kind of a special order. Mine were bought off the shelf and do not rub with 245s in front. I also have 2” drop spindles and tubular control arms. I can’t speak to stock front suspension measurements.


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Awesome...thanks for the info. I am going with a 2" drop spindle also and contemplating upper/lower tubular control arms. Waiting on some more results from the corresponding thread.

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Could get the Column Shifter with Buckets or Bench - no cost alternate.
They selected Bench

Floor shift would have incurred extra charge as Console .
and Buckets only , when ordered with console .

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Could get the Column Shifter with Buckets or Bench - no cost alternate.
They selected Bench

Floor shift would have incurred extra charge as Console .
and Buckets only , when ordered with console .
Yep. My 71 is original buckets with column shift, and no console. At first I wasn't sure how I would like it, but now I really like the combo (for an auto car). Gives me room to put a soft side cooler between the seats filled with cold drinks and ice packs for daily cruising. Necessity in Phoenix summers.

Manual coming soon on mine, but I will stick with no console for the aforementioned reason.


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Holy CRAP! I was in the passenger door panel tightening up the side view mirror and came across my build sheet.... in near pristine condition (comparatively speaking)!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot believe it! So now we have a confirmed paint code, but I cannot find my decoder ring. Anyone have a list for this paint code? A quick google search didn’t find it.




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W51 Special paint. lucky b*****d on the build sheet!

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Congrats on the buildsheet!



The paint number is a Dupont number, I don't have that one though.


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That is a GeneralMotors/FisherBody Mfg Dupont Mix Code

926 = just means Solid / Non Metallic
97689 is the mixing formula number

1966 Cadillac Mist Blue -Code 20 - WA3505

The civilian/aftermarket Dupont paint mix number is 4720L
That is the number a Dupont paint jobber/supplier would use for the mix and on the label. After looking up Code 20 from a 66 Caddy.
That is the best number to go by usually, if trying to cross reference in future.
Versus the 97689 Mfg #

L = Lacquer
it also equals the lowest price code suffix. (same price as White and Black)
I used to mix Dupont automotive paint at a jobber in the early 80's
LH, LK, LM, LT etc,,, were higher priced colors going higher up the alphabet

926 prefix replaced the old 93 prefix later into the 60's

Ditzler/PPG - 13151
Dupont - 4720L
Acme - 5091
RM/BASF - A1804
Sherwin Willy - 147

No guarantee this would match to the car now.
It should match any jamb areas that are still factory paint.
They probably picked a close match from a paint chip book when they repainted it.

We should have just told you to check behind BOTH door panels.
In the late 80's i found 2 different buildsheets in 2 different Atlanta cars (71 and a 72) and thought it was driver side, from distant memory.

HeavyDuty Congrats on the lucky-duck find !

Cool how they noted to use an Adriatic Blue Endura
Endura cars with Special Paint got generic color Endura (usually black or white), and Dealer had to paint them to match.
Quart of un-thinned lacquer usually accompanied the car from the build plant.

I don't know how each dealer handled the additional labor for that.
Most probably required an additional up-charge.

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcod...=1966&manuf=GM

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/chipdis...&info=&page=32
Scroll down to bottom of that page for color chip


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Thanks for the replies! Baron, you’ve nailed it. I sent out a research request with TCPGlobal and they came back with the same 1966 Cadillac Mist Blue color. So its not Carolina Blue, unless Mist Blue is Carolina Blue just renamed for the local Tar Heel fanatics?

I’m incredibly excited to have found this build sheet AND that the body number in the sheet matches my trim tag!


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I don't think there even is a color standard for "Carolina Blue".
Anything close in that shade usually gets re-named that , at least in NC.
Even Baby Blue isn't called Baby Blue anymore, its Carolina Blue
powder blue, sky blue, etc ... all get the Carolina reference.
They'll grab anything that is that shade of blue.

But that 66 Caddy color is a great representative.
The NC Dealers probably did rename it as an extra part of the sales pitch.

64 Pontiac had a Skyline Blue that was close, but paler.
69 or 70 Chevy/GMC trucks had a similar blue.

iirc , Nick Nolte drove a 66 Mist Blue Caddy Vert in Beverly Hills Cop movie with Eddy Murphy.

There was a 66 GTO special paint car in my hometown for a long time, it was the 66 Caddy color.
But everyone called it a Carolina Blue GTO.
It looked good in that color too. I almost bought it , but it was a bit raggedy by that time.


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Holy CRAP! I was in the passenger door panel tightening up the side view mirror and came across my build sheet.... in near pristine condition (comparatively speaking)!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot believe it! So now we have a confirmed paint code, but I cannot find my decoder ring. Anyone have a list for this paint code? A quick google search didn’t find it.




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Interesting that the front endure was painted Adriatic Blue (!) then repainted at the dealership?

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The endura bumpers were pre-painted by the supplier/manufacturer.
Probably too much lead time required to have them do 1-off special colors.

Endura cars with Special Paint got generic color Endura (usually black or white), and Dealer had to paint them to match.
Quart of un-thinned lacquer usually accompanied the car from the build plant.

I don't know how each dealer handled the additional labor for that.
Most probably required an additional up-charge.

The 71 Judge special paint Orbit Orange got a Black Endura.
And the owner left it that way all along.

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