[GOAT WHORE]

Hopefully going to get to paint the old goat this next year so my question is how do I go about getting the correct original color for my car. I think my paint guy wants to use Spees Hecker. I have all the color chips but doubt they can match off those and pretty sure the old formulas wont convert to todays paint.
I have seen a few antique gold cars some good some not so close IMO.
What are my options?

[gtome]

Not sure using Spies, but the PPG guys here can mix them from the letter codes no problem. Using DBC base.

[GOAT WHORE]

Just that easy, huh. Nice I was just ASSuming.

[Guy Mazza]

Originally Posted by gtome

Not sure using Spies, but the PPG guys here can mix them from the letter codes no problem. Using DBC base.

+1, Our shop uses PPG, and they have their own vintage color guide. The colors 'pop' and the metallic aren't quite like BITD. But PPG should get you pointed in right direction. BTW, my GTO's original color was Antique Gold.....pretty rare color.

[gtome]

I just painted a burgandy 66 GTO this weekend and PPG had to mix it in DBU. They said they didnt have a code for DBC. Worked well though. I had never sprayed DBU before.
I wonder if Spies could cross referance a PPG code?

[GOAT WHORE]

So getting ready to paint for real this time.
Got a sample made in Omni to match the Antique Gold as they had a formula in that line. Sprayed it out and it looks real good. However, they do NOT have a formula for DBC. I should have mentioned we are going to use PPG products.
Anyway they called up the PPG library and had no luck either. So it seems it's not as simple as some have suggested.
The guys at the paint store suggested to go with the Omni and a better reducer and If course the DCU clear.
Any thoughts? Would I be cheating myself using Omni base instead of the DBC?

[Greg Reid]

I used PPG...or my painter did...to match my Meridian Turquoise car and it was a dead on match to the original paint on the sides of my cowl.
I used a lot of Omni primer during the years I was doing all that body work. Later, it was changed to Shopline but it's the same stuff.. It was good and I never had a single problem with it but my painter told me that the stuff sucks for certain color coats.
He said that it will work but it takes a lot of it to cover. Basically, he hates it as a color coat.
The PPG BC/CC was expensive (!) but it looks great to me. I'd recommend it for yours. You just have to find someone who knows how to match it.

[400 4spd.]

Don't buy any base yet. I have an Antique Gold GTO convertible in the shop right now, and I am almost certain I have some DBC base that my store mixed for a small part we painted.
Regarding Omni base, if Omni Plus is available the coverage will be much better than regular Omni base. The most important part of a lasting paint job is having good UV protection (inhibitors) in your clear. If you elect to use the Omni base, you can top coat it with the DCU clears without issue. I would just allow some extra dry time between coats as compared to using DBC. My favorite DCU clear is 2002 as it lays down better than 2021. The Omni Plus clear sprays nice, but will not have the critical inhibitors that you will want. Price wise you will spend at least twice as much going with DBC and DCU systems.

[GOAT WHORE]

Man, if you have a good formula in the DBC that would totally kick @ss!
The cost of the DBC DCU would not be of major concern to me for this car I just want the best.
Let me know what you find out on that paint, thanks.

[A Schab]

I wouldn't use the Omni base if it was given to me.It has poor coverage when compared to Dbu or Dbc.That will cause a thick film build and the problems that come with it.When buying paint remember that you get what you pay for.

[Greg Reid]

In layman's terms, what is DBC and DBU? I've read the terms in other forums and it always comes down to guys discussing which is better for what, etc. but what do the letters stand for?

[Tempest]

thanks for asking Greg, I was thinking the same thing.

[GOAT WHORE]

Getting this color in DBC is a lot harder then you might think! It's come down to 2 options for me. Use Omni with a better binder and reducer or get the DBC custom matched. Problem with custom match around here is no one will spray it out just wet match. I don't have much faith in that.
Well my friend Joe (Hobi) has hooked me up with someone who is going to match me 2 gal. Guy has been at the same store for 39 yrs. Matched the antique gold in lacquer, sprayed it out and mailed me a sample so I could compare it to my part. Looks great, now he's going to match it in DBC.
Wish me luck.
Btw Greg, have no idea what DBC stands for but I am pretty sure it =$$$$$.

[Greg Reid]

Originally Posted by GOAT WHORE

Btw Greg, have no idea what DBC stands for but I am pretty sure it =$$$$$.

Maybe what's on mine then...My jaw almost hit the floor when I paid right at $1K for a gallon. I was pretty happy with it and forgot all about it the day it rolled out of the booth though...lol

[DOC]

There was article in High Perf Pontiac Magazine. Apr 2014 that had an article about TCP Global and its ability to perfectly match old colors. May want to give them a call. I have never used them but their article is very interesting and theri focus was how they per-fect the shade if your after that exact factory color shade.

Something to always think about is a sign in my buddys shop...

"The bitterness of poor workmanship remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten" That goes for materials as well.... spend the extra for better paint....

[A Schab]

DBC=Deltron Base Coat. I think that Global is also a PPG company that does most of it's business in Europe.

[Greg Reid]

Don't know about top coats but TCP Global was the only company I could find that was willing to match my original interior color codes using the SEM product. Even SEM themselves couldn't come up with it.