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The Body Shop TECH General questions that don't fit in any other forum |
View Poll Results: Can vinyl graphics be clear coated | |||
Yes, wait 30 days before applying 2 more coats of clear coat | 0 | 0% | |
Yes, but you should apply in between clear coats no need to wait 30 days | 1 | 7.14% | |
No, this will eventually crack and you will have to redo the panel(s) - I have seen it happen | 2 | 14.29% | |
No, any repairs to the area may be extensive to deal with the graphic under the clear coat | 4 | 28.57% | |
Please do it so if it fails I can learn from your mistake as I was thinking about doing it | 7 | 50.00% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll |
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clearcoat over stickers ?
I'm getting close to the paint process and I'm wondering if after the 2nd coat of CC is appiled if the stripe should be applied before the last coat of CC or do I need to wait until the CC has out-gased (30days) and then apply the sticker stripe and then apply another coat or two oc CC? I like the idea of waxing the car in the future with worrying about the wax getting on the sticker or building up next to the stripe.
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I wouldn't clearcoat a vinyl stripe. If you do expect the clear to crack, chip & peel over time.
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I have seen some cars with the big scream'in chicken under clear coat, how do they do that ? I don't think it was painted as you could see somewhat of an outline.
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We've done it here in the shop with success. I'd do at least two coats of clear on top.
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I wouldn't clear over a vinyl decal. the vinyl will expand / contract at different rates than the paint. it's a failure waiting to happen IMO.
If the vinyl cracks on top of the clear you're just replacing the vinyl. If there's a problem under the clear you're repainting the panel. My opinion, Fwiw. Mike
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When I did my first OHC Sprint car I wanted to clear the side body stripes and my body man said it wasn't a good idea.
He said if any damage happens I/he would have to strip the whole area Vs. just a section of decal/stripe. It made good sence to me. I've been waxing my 66' since 95' with no wax buildup issues.
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To approach the issue in a different way, I prefer to use the new polymer type sealants after a good 3M polish (followed by dawn dishwashing wash/thorough rinse to get rid of the polish residue). The polymer sealants (e.g. "Zaino"), not only fill in light scratches but also seal and protect as a wax does with no distracting white residue to catch the edges.
I'm no paint expert, but painting over vinyl doesn't sound very durable on a surface exposed to extreme temperature change, elements, and flex. Sounds like rolling decopage If it were to work I would have to imagine it would take several coats of clear (figure you will want to wetsand it after you done and two coats will likely just clear - no pun - the edge).
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If you have enough damage to an area you're going to want to redo the entire panel anyway. |
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Me personally, I'd just go with a nice painted pinstripe instead of going through all the hassle. One downfall to clearing over vinyl pinstripes would be if you had to blend into an adjacent panel, then you would be forced to replace the entire strip and clear on that panel. |
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Check with SWEETJUDGE (py member) on this. He does decals and stickers for a living and may have some recommendations on what material would work best. I have cleared over many decals in the past on snowmobiles, helmets and smaller items without issue.
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add a poll to this question, im thinking f clear coating mine also
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I do graphics and I dont clear coat graphics on autos,
just asking for trouble. Some guys use frog juice or krylon clear and I have on graphics for signs etc,but never on an auto. I see it as this. Does vinyl have the same characteristics as urethane paint? Weve had this discussion here before ,just search. |
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72 BB - Poll added as per your request - Thanks for all the responses
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My GTO had been repainted before I got it. Whoever did it applied "Ram Air IV" stickers to the scoops and then clearcoated over them. That would be great if my car was a RAIV. I'll bet I've explained that to 8 million people in the 8 years I've had it.
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Wow, is your car a RA IV?
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I did it..
I applied the decals and the painter fogged on many coats of clear over them. Many coats...It's been over 10 years, decals look better than new, cant even tell they are decals, virtually no ridge....would do it again.
tried to upload pics....pics wont upload tonite.
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I cleared my stripe in 1980 with clear laquer. 25 years later they still looked like new. I'm not recommending that anybdy do it, just saying I did, with great results over time.
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