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Old 11-13-2010, 11:30 AM
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Wow sounds like a great car. I have a 79 ws6/auto with the 273 gears.Yea,it's a slug.but it's a beautifully balanced car with the 301 sitting up front. I have recorded as high as 21 mpg on longer trips if i keep my foot out of it. Almost didn't but this car 10 years ago because of the 301,but it was a low mileage,super clean car from the original owner.
BUY IT - it's a Pontiac with a stick - doesn't get much better than that.



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Old 11-17-2010, 10:11 AM
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I have a 79 Formula W-code.
W code means 4 bbl 301 NA.

Mine also has the ST-10 and 3.08 rear.

Rebuilt the motor, added headers and 2.5" X-pipe dual exhaust,
it is Not a slug. It will smoke in 1st all day long, break loose in
2nd and even chirp 3rd. Poncho's aren't high-winders like the SBCs
but the low end is there and that's what pushes me back in the seat.

I like the 301. Sure, it doesn't have the torque of a 400, but as a combo
of weight, performance and gas mileage, plus the last true poncho motor,
i would keep a numbers-matching formula as such.

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Old 12-01-2010, 01:27 PM
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VIN does indeed differentiate whether it's a 301 2V or 4V, Chris. W = 4V, and Y = 2V.

Nice find, by the way, and please post some pics.

Check your e-mails, by the way. I forwarded you one at gto4door's request.

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Were they fun to drive or slugs?
My 79 4bbl 301 WS6 Formula was no slug. It would take a 79 4bbl 302 Ford Thunderbird off the line and out run it. At least mine did a number of times. LOL

Just looked at my window sticker and the WS6 package was 434.00. Space Saver spare was .10. With WS6 package rear disc brakes on mine, it was a posi unit. Cost was 63.00.

List without options.... 6,204.45
Options total.... 1526.10
Total cost.... 7,985.55
My cost.... 6,500.

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I wouldn't buy that car if I were you.

Looks like the paint is flaking off the back window moldings.

You NEVER know what ELSE could be WRONG with it!

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I wouldn't buy that car if I were you.

Looks like the paint is flaking off the back window moldings.

You NEVER know what ELSE could be WRONG with it!
That one is strange - the side pieces are painted, the top, bottom & front window trim are not. He didn't have an explanation for it - which should they be - painted or natural?

It also needs a new shifter knob, the numbers inside the plastic have faded. Seat backs and the driver's side rear interior panel will most likely need replacing too - just oxidized/chalked over time.

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My 79 4bbl 301 WS6 Formula was no slug. It would take a 79 4bbl 302 Ford Thunderbird off the line and out run it. At least mine did a number of times. LOL

Just looked at my window sticker and the WS6 package was 434.00. Space Saver spare was .10. With WS6 package rear disc brakes on mine, it was a posi unit. Cost was 63.00.

List without options.... 6,204.45
Options total.... 1526.10
Total cost.... 7,985.55
My cost.... 6,500.
Mine has the WS6 and the G80 Limited Slip too, no space saver spare - says there is a 5th wheel like the ones on the car in the trunk.

MSRP was $8,190.55 on mine - I paid less.

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That one is strange - the side pieces are painted, the top, bottom & front window trim are not. He didn't have an explanation for it - which should they be - painted or natural?

It also needs a new shifter knob, the numbers inside the plastic have faded. Seat backs and the driver's side rear interior panel will most likely need replacing too - just oxidized/chalked over time.
As I recall,ALL 79-81 Trans ams & Formula's came with the black window trim,however,it appears that they never bothered prepping (scuffing) the shiny trim prior to painting it black.

That's why the paint came off.

I had an 80 full ,load Turbo Trans am brand new & the window trim looked like your Formula does when it was 2 years old.

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Old 12-07-2010, 06:37 PM
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As I recall,ALL 79-81 Trans ams & Formula's came with the black window trim,however,it appears that they never bothered prepping (scuffing) the shiny trim prior to painting it black.

That's why the paint came off.

I had an 80 full ,load Turbo Trans am brand new & the window trim looked like your Formula does when it was 2 years old.
Can they be powder coated? Flat or gloss?

Then again - it matches the roof edge molding so.....

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I just prep /scuff & rattle can them with SEM trimpaint (#39243,I think?)

They look GREAT & original.(will match)

You're not really going to actually DRIVE it,are you?

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Wow that's a great looking car!! Please drive it and keep it as-is!

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You're not really going to actually DRIVE it,are you?
Sure - why not!

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Old 12-09-2010, 06:19 AM
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very nice ride.
1 in 1590 built. (hard top)
mine is 1 in 1530 built ( t-top )

not a easy car to come across. that would be less then 30 cars per state.

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I wouldn't buy that car if I were you.

Looks like the paint is flaking off the back window moldings.

You NEVER know what ELSE could be WRONG with it!
are you serious about the window mouldings or is that a joke??? in 1979, the dealer had to repaint my moldings 3 times while it was under warranty. they started peeling off when the car was less than one month old when i washed it at the car wash with the high pressure sprayer.

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That one is strange - the side pieces are painted, the top, bottom & front window trim are not. He didn't have an explanation for it - which should they be - painted or natural?

It also needs a new shifter knob, the numbers inside the plastic have faded. Seat backs and the driver's side rear interior panel will most likely need replacing too - just oxidized/chalked over time.
they should be painted. see my post before this for a real explanation.

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they should be painted. see my post before this for a real explanation.
That should be easy enough.....provided I don't ruin them taking them off.

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are you serious about the window mouldings or is that a joke??? in 1979, the dealer had to repaint my moldings 3 times while it was under warranty. they started peeling off when the car was less than one month old when i washed it at the car wash with the high pressure sprayer.
Well the day I drove my new 79 home one of the snowflake wheels was already showing signs of having the clear coat separate from the aluminum. They replaced it with a new one. After about 3 years all of them had clear coat problems on the bare aluminum part of the 8 inch wheels. Typical quality issues back then.

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i personally have never seen a disc rear that wasnt posi. (not that they didnt make it). i have had several of the 301 4 speed t/a's over the years and all of them that i had, have had the disc rear and they all had 3:08 gears instead of the 3:23 like the 400 cars got. i wander if you could have ordered them with the 3:23????
I have a 79 Z code formula with a 3.23 non posi disc rear in it. since posi was an option on a formula, somehow this car missed that chesk box. the PHS confirmed it.

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I have a 79 Z code formula with a 3.23 non posi disc rear in it. since posi was an option on a formula, somehow this car missed that chesk box. the PHS confirmed it.
Not to argue with you,but was'nt the Posi part of the WS6 option which was manditory on the "Z" coded cars ( T/A & Formula )along with the 4spd and 4 wheel disc brake set up and 8in Snowflake's.

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