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yeah and all the other G bodies mention are more attractive cars than the OP..sorry cant make a 79 GP look good just cant.. 301 4 speed is cool, i would have one for a daily mpg cruiser work car but i would still want to upgrade to a GA like a GA CA on looks alone!

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Never heard of a 79 Hurst W30 4 speed car. I thought they all came with Hurst Automatics
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Same guy above replaced his '76 with a 78 or 79 Olds 442 with a 305 / 4 speed combo , but it was the ugly body. Surprisingly, it ran pretty strong for a late 70s car.
That '78 A-body 442 was a whole different animal than the Hurst W30 that came out in 1979. I've seen plenty of manual trans examples of the former.
As you mentioned in reply #30 there is no documentation (outside of 6 Grrrs claim) of any 79-80 W30 Hurst 4-speed cars. And yes, they were 350 Olds powered. The only non-station wagon, non diesel A/G body from 78-80 to get more than 305 cubic inches.

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I found a thread about a different '79 GP 4-spd that was for sale five years ago in Saskatchewan. This dude came up with a production number of 239.

http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/pa...speed-car.html


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I just got an email from Jim Mattison, PHS, and he had done some research on the subject and found out there were 239 1979 Grand Prix 4 speed made. This included the base. LJ and SJ model. The number for each model was not broke out. No T-top data was available
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OK, this was posted in 2006, so evidently that is where the Saskatchewan seller got his "research" in the 2008 'for sale' post.

http://www.pontiactalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327

Post number 4 in the above thread contains the phone number of last year's eBay car (the black one with T-tops) which may still be in his posession.


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That '78 A-body 442 was a whole different animal than the Hurst W30 that came out in 1979. I've seen plenty of manual trans examples of the former.
As you mentioned in reply #30 there is no documentation (outside of 6 Grrrs claim) of any 79-80 W30 Hurst 4-speed cars. And yes, they were 350 Olds powered. The only non-station wagon, non diesel A/G body from 78-80 to get more than 305 cubic inches.

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I'm told there were 350 (Chevy ?) powered ones for police car use and some might have been made for high altitude areas.
The guy who owned that 442 drove it to our 10 yr anniversary (2000) and it had been very nicely restored ; I suspect he still has it. I remember him saying it was just as quick in stock form as his 80 W-30 he also owned -

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I'm told there were 350 (Chevy ?) powered ones for police car use and some might have been made for high altitude areas.
Never heard that, but I suspect it is misinformation that has been repeated. Example; a Z-28 squad car becomes a 442.
If there were any police forces that wanted a '78 mid-size GM, I can't see why they would overlook the Malibu/Lemans, which were the least expensive.
Maine State Police had some '81 Malibus in their fleet but I'm 99% sure those were 305 4bbl equipped.

About 5-6 years ago there was a '78 Cutlass 442 4spd at a classic car dealer in Illinois. (internet)
It was advertised as a 350 (SBC), but no factory documentation, and no mention of the VIN to show proof of such.
The engine photo looked suspicious to me.

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Never heard that, but I suspect it is misinformation that has been repeated. Example; a Z-28 squad car becomes a 442.
If there were any police forces that wanted a '78 mid-size GM, I can't see why they would overlook the Malibu/Lemans, which were the least expensive.
Maine State Police had some '81 Malibus in their fleet but I'm 99% sure those were 305 4bbl equipped.

About 5-6 years ago there was a '78 Cutlass 442 4spd at a classic car dealer in Illinois. (internet)
It was advertised as a 350 (SBC), but no factory documentation, and no mention of the VIN to show proof of such.
The engine photo looked suspicious to me.
The guy with the 78 442 said the 305 was the biggest offered for his car, he had a fetish for the 78 & up Cutlasses.
I had a cop car book and it mentions the 78 or 79 9C1 being offered with the same LM1 (350) as the Impala/Caprice/Nova.
Makes sense, since the Nova was on it's way out by 79 and it was a successful cop car and the Malibu would be the replacement.

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how come all the Grand prix's 4 speeds need to be restored. Some body must have a picture of one done. All of these raged out GP's are making my Pacer look like a Pebble Beach show winner

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red75pacer, keep trying, there's bound to be a nice one out there.
That black T-top GP in NC was in fairly good shape. I seem to recall it needed a clutch, but was otherwise in dependable condition. Plastic bumper fillers were decayed or missing, but that was one of the few cosmetic issues. That's a southern car nuance, so I would expect it to be solid.

It started out listed at $12,000 IIRC. I don't think it sold even after he dropped the Buy-It-Now to $7500.

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I don't know a whole lot about the 79-80 Hurst W30 Cutlass but I would have presumed that option would only be available with an automatic transmission. Was it down graded from a 350 to a 260 by any chance (per factory mandate)?
If your friend's W30 is factory stick, it must be close to a 0ne of One.

I kept tabs on any factory stick cars from that era also, and remember one '78 Cutlass, maybe one Monte Carlo, and no GPs or Regals
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Never heard of a 79 Hurst W30 4 speed car. I thought they all came with Hurst Automatics

Sorry for the confusion...This car is a Green W30 olds cutlass with a 4speed, not a White 'Hurst' car. IIRC it was a 305 SBC car when new. He still has the car, but hasn't driven it in years.

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V8 78 monte Carlo on Chicago craigslist as we speak He's axin' 4350 Has t tops blue on blue, looks clean{er] Not bad if you want a Chevy! 4 Speed of course!!!

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I like some of the 78-88 A/G bodies and when I seen the ad back in 2002 for my 78 Grand Am, I just had to have it. And I got it for a good price. And here's the kicker....I did a body-off! And it didn't cost me much. Sandblasted the chassis, replaced brake lines, fuel lines, bushings, ball joints, etc. Along with my brothers we did the bodywork and paint, and I picked up a good running 400/TH350 from a 76 Trans Am. The car sits on 14x7 Rally-II and has the factory Trans Am steering box with 1.25 inch front sway bar and rear sway bar and discs/drums. I changed the rear gears from 2:29 to 3:08 and with the 245-60 out back it runs nice. It has stock manifolds with 2.25 inch duals and Dynomax Super Turbos. It's lighter than the Trans Am. It is certainly rare around these parts. It spends most days and nights in my garage, and every once in awhile I fire it up and take it for a spin. It is not a daily driver. Now some people might think I'm crazy to restore a car like this.........but every year these cars get older and harder to find..............and I like it! I have another 400 block and a set of #64 heads that will someday replace the 185 horse...........or locate a factory W72 engine.

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IMO, I like the front of the 78 Olds 442...........but I wished they had went with the roofline same as the Malibu/Lemans. Still it's a great looking car!

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i believe that these latest posts have gone far to open up peoples eyes about how rare some of these cars really were. Hats off to everybody who got in the game.

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its near impossible to find a good A/G body car. The value is in the eye of the beholder, I looked for about five years, so good cars are not on the market.
Owners of good cars will not sell as the market is not paying.
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Any pictures of good cars {g body} on these Forums?

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Any pictures of good cars {g body} on these Forums?
most photos are of cars in poor condition

there should be a thread of low mile original cars in good condition

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im computer illeterate, so i have trouble posting pics, but in my stable, i have a 73 lemans with 74000 orig miles that came out of long island--repainted a diff color---but on a no rust all original car. the painter did a few mods, like HEI and gauges/radio/rims, but the rest of the car is stock, still smells like new inside. also, wayyyy back in the day (1991) my dad bought an 85 gp LE 305 4bbl buckets console car from florida with 55000 miles on it. it sat in a heated garage until last year, and now mom takes it to car shows...super nice all original car, and it does get some compliments. i have my original car from when i was 16 (82 olds cutlass) and i think that the 81 to 87 olds cutlasses are the best looking of all the 78 to 88 g bodies--tho there are others i like too--i think the 78 to 80 malibus look super sharp when done correctly---tho i have never been a fan of the seville-back g bodies. it is getting harder to find clean g bodies, thats for sure--i never see any of the 80s cars on the road, and my 70s cars even less.

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