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Just kidding about the Cop car, Keith. I found the White GTO Story turn Plum Crazy to be Very interesting Tale. That Test Mule, I have seen some were in the past. Still on assignment. Mike out. I was wondering why that Test Mule had Hoses protruding from the Wheels and now I Know why.

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As I read through my assigned reading this came up: 67 GTO story Post # 65 citydesk 175 2008 , Said: Engine S/N's "I just spoke with GM warehouse Manager who told me that serial #'s are applied at the Foundry line before they are shipped to assembly".

67 GTO Story Post # 73 2008 janderson ,Said "Numbers were stamped on the Engines in the Pontiac Assembly Plant called the Motor Bridge" etc...

Mike is going to look for the 1967 Service Manual. Out for now.

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As I read through my assigned reading this came up: 67 GTO story Post # 65 citydesk 175 2008 , Said: Engine S/N's "I just spoke with GM warehouse Manager who told me that serial #'s are applied at the Foundry line before they are shipped to assembly".

67 GTO Story Post # 73 2008 janderson ,Said "Numbers were stamped on the Engines in the Pontiac Assembly Plant called the Motor Bridge" etc...

Mike is going to look for the 1967 Service Manual. Out for now.
Rons Pontiac Page says: in "1967" Pontiac Service Manual "Code is located beneath the Engine Production Number (EPN) on the machined pad on the right-hand bank of the Engine Block. In "1968" Production Engine Number passenger side top left on Block beneath the Head then Engine Code is beneath the (PEN). There is no mention of a Motor Vehicle Identification Number on the 1967 or 1968 Blocks. From what I found out so far is that the 1961 Block has the (PEN) and Engine Code on top left beneath the Head on the Block pad plus the (MVI) stamped and the letter "P" on the right side. beneath the Head.

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I was given some Factory Plant Assignments to read and in after reading through them all, I decided to do a little more research on my own. This is what I came up with, have fun learning and viewing some very interesting Photo's. One of the videos shows how the Factory makes the Molds to form the Sheet metal parts and more. I was in Drafting and to see this procedure used 50-70 years ago shows just how far we went from Ticker tape to Digitization on Cards then to Mylar transfer plus using Magnetic tape to Encode the computer to run off the codes to form plug to molds.
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Very interesting - and sad that so much of our manufacturing is now just history.

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I didn’t go to all your links but not learning much from the 4 pictures of Chevrolet assembly lines? What am I looking for in the 4 pictures?

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I didn’t go to all your links but not learning much from the 4 pictures of Chevrolet assembly lines? What am I looking for in the 4 pictures?
Well - I see a few things that might not be obvious to the casual observer:

Photo 1: You can see the seats being conveyed to the main line in sequence. Seats were built up off line, in a remote area of the plant (known as the "cushion room") due to fire concerns. They would be built up according to the specific vehicle order, per the build manifest (correct configuration - bucket vs bench; trim level, trim pattern, color, etc). This would be analogous to what was going on with tire/wheel assemblies, front suspension, rear axle, driveline, front end sheet metal - all which were built up remotely and then conveyed to the main line in order. Although the photos are from Tarrytown, this would be a similar for any plant building Pontiac nameplated vehicles.

Photo 2: This the start of the "Motor Line" at the vehicle assembly plant. Engines and transmissions from the various component build locations are unloaded and stored lineside in dunnage, with multiple parts per pallet (like, six or ten). They are then selected from the dunnage, per the build manifest, and started down the line in sequence. Parts are added, like accessory drive and carburetion, per the build manifest.

Photo 3: Motor set: you can see the engine/trans assemblies, fully trimmed out, on the RH side of the photo. They guys on the left are picking the engines off the motor line conveyor and setting them in the chassis. One thing the reader may not have noticed is that the drive shaft is already installed in the chassis, supported at the front with a bungy cord to keep it from dropping down and catching on the floor. One motor set operator is guiding the engine down into the mounts, the other guy is inserting the slip yoke into the tailshaft of the trans and helping the back of the trans sit down on the mount.

Photo 4: Shows a trim line body accumulator. These "banks" are of previously completed bodies, built to order, have a couple different uses. 1 - they provide a buffer in case the body shop, paint or trim shop goes down due to a material shortage or maintenance breakdown, to allow the final line to keep going. They also allow shuffling of the builds to level the workload downstream in the General Assembly area (that is, can't build too many A/C cars in a row, can't build too many manual trans vehicles in a row, can't build too many tripowers in a row, etc). Pontiac Michigan had seven lanes like this, to draw from before introducing the bodies into final assembly. Most assembly plants were like this, but there were a few exceptions: Fremont, and Baltimore, for example, did not have these body banks. As a result - whatever build sequence was established in the body shop carried all the way through to the end of the line.

This whole "keeping parts in sequence" is huge. If you are on autopilot and get out of whack it makes a terrible mess, affecting not just the vehicle in front of you but everything between you and the operator's station where they figured out something is wrong. You don't stop the line for that, so (on the fly) you are trying to figure out what happened, how to fix it, how many vehicles are affected, and dispatch your repair guys and quality man to fix it and hope nothing else goes south while they are otherwise consumed. We even used to have a library of "wrong" tire/wheel assemblies sitting at the install area, such that if a wrong axle was installed on the vehicle you could install a corresponding "wrong" tire/wheel, in order to keep that vehicle going on down the line. It would then have to be repaired back in "Heavy Repair, in a stationary stall.

Although these are Chevrolet photos, the build philosophy and sequence would be comparable for a Pontiac or BOP or GMAD plant.


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https://youtu.be/oUlXM5ZEtXc Pontiac Video of build factory plus some commercials.

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This whole "keeping parts in sequence" is huge. If you are on autopilot and get out of whack it makes a terrible mess, affecting not just the vehicle in front of you but everything between you and the operator's station where they figured out something is wrong.

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I've only ever toured one automotive assembly plant (the Ford plant in St. Paul, MN; they were building Ford Ranger and Mazda B2000 pickups at the time) but the most interesting thing to me was how all the correct parts would arrive at the correct time for the correct vehicle - wheels and tires, interior components and so on. I imagine at any assembly plant stuff will get out of sequence every so often, but but from what I saw it's fairly rare.

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It's incredible to think, but the process has not changed much since the Depression era.

The manufacturers took that slow period to rethink the build order, so instead of stall builds similar to what you or I would do in our garage, we now have the body shop/paint shop/trim shop/final line order that everybody still uses today.

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Some people watch TV when they eat but I sit at the computer and watch these Videos instead. I can't take my eyes off of them. Have fun viewing these.

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Some Canadian/Pontiac History for you!

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Some Canadian/Pontiac History for you!

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1966 Catalina 389 ci 2bbl with road drive, nice ride.

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1965 Pontiac Catalina 2+2 Being surveyed completely, good job.

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[QUOTE=TRADERMIKE 2012;6291418] https://youtu.be/NfKMk0HY4nc

"Some Canadian/Pontiac History for you"!

https://youtu.be/_eiuSfwZOKE

"1966 Catalina 389 ci 2bbl with road drive, nice ride".

https://youtu.be/BeKVnJLyqew

"1965 Pontiac Catalina 2+2 Being surveyed completely, good job".

https://youtu.be/Un9Xk9h7IxU

"1966 Pontiac 2+2 commercial plus more".


"Tesla powered 1966 Chevrolet Impala review and test drive".

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"Some Canadian/Pontiac History for you"!

https://youtu.be/_eiuSfwZOKE

"1966 Catalina 389 ci 2bbl with road drive, nice ride".

https://youtu.be/BeKVnJLyqew

"1965 Pontiac Catalina 2+2 Being surveyed completely, good job".

https://youtu.be/Un9Xk9h7IxU

"1966 Pontiac 2+2 commercial plus more".


"Tesla powered 1966 Chevrolet Impala review and test drive".

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"This is the furure of the Muscle Car"?

*EPIC* 600hp 1000kg Tesla powered Beetle!
https://youtu.be/DXGKt8sK8CQ "No" gas bill, I like were this is going!
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https://youtu.be/Un9Xk9h7IxU
Filmed at the GM Milford Proving Ground. You can see the 16% Grade, Oval Track, Seven Sisters Ride & Handling Loop, Belgian Block rough road, etc.

I worked there for four years, before moving to Mesa Arizona to work at the Desert Proving Ground for four years.

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Could you really get the 8-lug aluminum wheel on the '66 GTO? The video seems to show it, but I don't think I have ever seen a GTO with them.....

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Could you really get the 8-lug aluminum wheel on the '66 GTO? The video seems to show it, but I don't think I have ever seen a GTO with them.....
No. Prototypes were made but the did not make it into production (due to cost, I believe).

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[QUOTE=tekuhn;6291627] Could you really get the 8-lug aluminum wheel on the '66 GTO? The video seems to show it, but I don't think I have ever seen a GTO with them....

http://www.oldirononline.com/

The Old Car Manual Project.

Mike said: to try this site and you might find the 1966 Brochure to let you know if Aluminum 8 lug were available for the Goat! There is also a site for Tri-Power Carbs here that is very good. I left the route to find it in one of the posts I answered to, "not" my own though. Look over where I have been and you will find it. Under" Tri-Power" Post.

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Could you really get the 8-lug aluminum wheel on the '66 GTO? The video seems to show it, but I don't think I have ever seen a GTO with them....

http://www.oldirononline.com/

The Old Car Manual Project.

Mike said: to try this site and you might find the 1966 Brochure to let you know if Aluminum 8 lug were available for the Goat! There is also a site for Tri-Power Carbs here that is very good. I left the route to find it in one of the posts I answered to, "not" my own though. Look over where I have been and you will find it. Under" Tri-Power" Post.
I have the Thomas Bonsall "The Source Book" and there is no option for the 8-lug wheels. That's why I was surprised to see them on the GTO in the video. As Keith said, must have been a prototype that never happened.

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