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That head, the Warp 6 was based on some Chevy or Ford head. I forget which one. But once that is done the engine will have the performance characteristics of that engine (minus the big bore) Whats beneath it are just a bunch of pistons going up and down and the rest just has to stay together and hope the oiling system can keep up too.
I mean, its fine if that is what you want to do. But we race Pontiacs because we want to not be like everyone else and to play the underdog. Pontiac heads get weight breaks in certain classes for a reason. Put their BBC head on and you loose that and do not get the fat bore to help either.
A Pontiac has the center ex BS, siamesed intake runners, crap oil system and we deal with it. Or, a RAV is a Pontiac but not really better unless blown.
Heads like Langers are still a Pontiac IMO. Still have the center ex BS to deal with and siamesed intake runners.
Yet you are a fan of Wilcox non tunnel port 5'??
PMD never made a 5 head that wasn't a tunnel port right?

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PMD copied the Ford tunnel port to make the RA5, KRE doing the same is a no no?

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So just how many heads did Pontiac need to cast, or how many test engines needed to be built?

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Yet you are a fan of Wilcox non tunnel port 5'??
PMD never made a 5 head that wasn't a tunnel port right?
I am a fan of anything Dave does.
That configuration is the best we have without going to some fully canted BBC style crap.
Still has ex in about the same places as a RAV. Still has a 4 bolt valve cover. Inline valves. Its what PMD "should" have done instead of their version of the RAV.
Who knows where Pontiac might have been if they had been allowed to develop and not held back. ? If someone based a SOHC or a DOHC off the 1970 Hemi engine they floated I would consider it a Pontiac. That engine used a RAV crank and had the ex in the RAV location.

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Who knows where Pontiac might have been if they had been allowed to develop
They wouldve ended up with some canted valve head crap! PMD wasnt married to inline valves and 4 bolt valve cover! That was done for cost and packaging, why should we be stuck there??
The Warp6 heads are badass. I wish i wouldve gotten them!!

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I am a fan of anything Dave does.
That configuration is the best we have without going to some fully canted BBC style crap.
Still has ex in about the same places as a RAV. Still has a 4 bolt valve cover. Inline valves. Its what PMD "should" have done instead of their version of the RAV.
Who knows where Pontiac might have been if they had been allowed to develop and not held back. ? If someone based a SOHC or a DOHC off the 1970 Hemi engine they floated I would consider it a Pontiac. That engine used a RAV crank and had the ex in the RAV location.
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This was a project started with the end goal of building a 427 Hemi.[citation needed] Pontiac asked Mopar (Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth) for help in designing it and making it work. Surprisingly, Mopar actually agreed and sent over several of the engineers that designed both the 392 and 426 Hemi; the goal of making a Pontiac Hemi succeeded but was never produced.
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PMD copied the Ford tunnel port to make the RA5, KRE doing the same is a no no?
Thought we were talking about the Warp ?

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They wouldve ended up with some canted valve head crap! PMD wasnt married to inline valves and 4 bolt valve cover! That was done for cost and packaging, why should we be stuck there??
The Warp6 heads are badass. I wish i wouldve gotten them!!
Then you would not have a Pontiac either really. You would have a Pontiac bottom end with all its problems AND a Chevy/Ford head on top.
And to date, has any NA Warp single 4 engine even produced more Power than Mikes? High Ports have not yet.
It seems the only thing they (Warps) are good for is you do not have center ex with the head gasket issues. Is there any more power to be had with a Pontiac ?
And you have guys like Langer/Rex and Snyder who have all made more with their Tigers.
Until they make more power than a freaking E head what is the point ? What you have right now is some guys with real light cars putting down numbers.
It seems its all about bore spacing. I do not hate the Warp head. just not my thing. And I love all the stuff KRE brings to the table. Nobody brings more.
Besides, if you wanted some canted valve heads to put on your Pontiac you should wait until John M gets done with his. There is another Pro Stock style Pontiac head in the works too. Canted everything.
I know a guy doing a high end NA Pro Stock style build. He had the chance to go away from a PMD style head but chose a new PMD style head because he wants the respect of doing it. So I am not the only one who thinks that way.

And, have you figured out the gazillion dollars it is going to take you to get a head with no chambers ect where you want it. Then have warmed up to the idea of Warps ? Tiger IIs are cool, still a Pontiac.

I am not saying the Warps will not beat the NA numbers of the other heads. Just have not done it yet. But I do think it is interesting. And shows just how good a engine Mikes was.

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I’m thinking Warps will make more the 1150 hp, just cause someone hasn’t tried it doesn’t mean it can’t be done.....seriously!


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Hope you don’t believe that silly SH_T you wrote or have you been hitting the hard cider! LOL!


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Maybe it has changed over the years. But didn't the Pickett's 428 ci Warp 6 engine make the most HP per ci of any N/A Pontiac engine?

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Maybe it has changed over the years. But didn't the Pickett's 428 ci Warp 6 engine make the most HP per ci of any N/A Pontiac engine?

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Pretty sure you are right. But you would think someone has to have beaten Langers number. But they have not beat Mikes yet.
Do it, show the weight and MPH too. Seems hard to get from some.

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I’m thinking Warps will make more the 1150 hp, just cause someone hasn’t tried it doesn’t mean it can’t be done.....seriously!


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Pretty sure you are right. But you would think someone has to have beaten Langers number. But they have not beat Mikes yet.
Do it, show the weight and MPH too. Seems hard to get from some.
Ask Marcella or Tony which head they'd use to make the most horsepower if there were no rules to follow

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I’m thinking Warps will make more the 1150 hp, just cause someone hasn’t tried it doesn’t mean it can’t be done.....seriously!


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Seriously George don't you think KRE has tried pretty hard to make big power with Warp 6 heads?

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That's correct, but they want BIG power, so they use power adder not naturally aspirated usually.



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Tin Indian's dragster might be making more than 1150 by now?

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Mark Kauffman ran a 7.026 @ 2130#

Mike Leech ran a 7.95 @ 3070 #

On the track that, shows less than 10 HP difference and Mark (a few more HP) did it 3 years before Mike.

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