[mike nixon]

Originally Posted by 1967Clone

That little nissan will get 30 easily from what I've heard.
I had a gasser scout II awhile back, I always dug the binders for their 4x4's.

i've got a gas 4cyl scout waiting in the wings also along with a 57 a-100 pickup, a 67 1200 4x4 and a 68 1100 4x4.

binders and pontiacs make a lethal combination!

mike

[1967Clone]

Originally Posted by mike nixon

i've got a gas 4cyl scout waiting in the wings also along with a 57 a-100 pickup, a 67 1200 4x4 and a 68 1100 4x4.

binders and pontiacs make a lethal combination!

mike

Hey Mike, if you have any pics I'd love to check them out, binders are cool.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by mike nixon

i've got a gas 4cyl scout waiting in the wings also along with a 57 a-100 pickup, a 67 1200 4x4 and a 68 1100 4x4.

binders and pontiacs make a lethal combination!

mike

Pics - I'll try to dig some up also.

[mike nixon]

You guys are gonna make me work now.

I'll have Jen resize what I have so they'll fit here and I'll take some more.

When I do it I'll start a new topic that way it won't be cluttering this one any more than it already has.

My 57's been sitting in my barn for 20 years. I'm not sure a good pic of it is possible. The others are in the open air barn so they aren't a big deal.


On a related note,I had the 1700 series loadstar running tonight that has the turret crane on it. The engine sounds pretty healthy mechanically but needs the tune up finished. No knocks or smoke and 40 psi of op at low idle. The crane works also so either way it's not a bad deal.


Mike

[RandyW]

Originally Posted by 1967Clone

Except the "knockoff" was much more reliable than the original

Have a link to where they sued?

Sorry, this is all I could find and the link is dead;

Old Iron - Off-Road Adventures Magazine
... Land Cruiser engine could be considered a copy of an early 1930s Chevy six, ... 236.6ci OHV 6-cylinder. Power: 135 @ 3800 rpm. Torque: 217 lbs-ft @ 2000 ...
http://www.oramagazine.com/pastIssue...-old-iron.html - Cached

[1967Clone]

Originally Posted by RandyW

Sorry, this is all I could find and the link is dead;

I have seen many variations of that, and believe that it is a copy as well of the chevy inline 6. I, nor any of my cruiser enthusiast pals have ever seen any factual account of a lawsuit, despite hearing claims once in awhile. Just curious about a missing piece of history.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by 1967Clone

I have seen many variations of that, and believe that it is a copy as well of the chevy inline 6. I, nor any of my cruiser enthusiast pals have ever seen any factual account of a lawsuit, despite hearing claims once in awhile. Just curious about a missing piece of history.

Didnt the Toyota engine come out in the 50s ? It looks alot more like the "Stovebolt" Chebbys (216,235,292) which had 4 main bearings vs. the 7 main bearings used in the '62 & later 194,202 (Sold in the UK),215,230,250 and 292 cid engines.

[1967Clone]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

Didnt the Toyota engine come out in the 50s ? It looks alot more like the "Stovebolt" Chebbys (216,235,292) which had 4 main bearings vs. the 7 main bearings used in the '62 & later 194,202 (Sold in the UK),215,230,250 and 292 cid engines.

I know they imported the fj25 in 58'

From here
http://tlc.off-road.com/tlc/article/...64200#HD_NM_17

Gas Land Cruiser engines are manufactured by Toyota. The F and 2F engines were also used in Toyota Forlifts. The F engine is supposed to be based on the Chevy 225 I-6 "Cast Iron Wonder" and some of the bottom end of the engine is rumored to be interchangeable. The main differences between the F and the 2F are the 2F's larger bore, the F's 2 compression and 2 oil rings versus the 2F's 2 compression and single oil ring and the fact that the F had two oil paths--through the filter or through the engine compared to the 2F where all oil had to travel through the filter before the engine.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by 1967Clone

I know they imported the fj25 in 58'

From here
http://tlc.off-road.com/tlc/article/...64200#HD_NM_17

Gas Land Cruiser engines are manufactured by Toyota. The F and 2F engines were also used in Toyota Forlifts. The F engine is supposed to be based on the Chevy 225 I-6 "Cast Iron Wonder" and some of the bottom end of the engine is rumored to be interchangeable. The main differences between the F and the 2F are the 2F's larger bore, the F's 2 compression and 2 oil rings versus the 2F's 2 compression and single oil ring and the fact that the F had two oil paths--through the filter or through the engine compared to the 2F where all oil had to travel through the filter before the engine.

The 235 had 4 main bearings; did the Toyota use 7 ?

[1967Clone]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

The 235 had 4 main bearings; did the Toyota use 7 ?

Drawing a blank at the moment.

[mike nixon]

This thread has pics of a couple of the binders you guys wanted to see.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=562490

Mike

[COMP]

Originally Posted by mzbk2l

I don't know those engines well enough to answer your question, but www.thedieselpage.com is the expert site on those engines. LOT of archived info there to dig through.

'Course, if you REALLY want lightweight, it's hard to beat a Duramax with those aluminum heads.

didn't see any threads

[RAIV55]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

The 235 had 4 main bearings; did the Toyota use 7 ?

The Toyotas I've worked on, all were four mains.

For the 6.2 crank question, all have been cast that I've seen. Not sure on the 6.5's.

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by RAIV55

The Toyotas I've worked on, all were four mains.

For the 6.2 crank question, all have been cast that I've seen. Not sure on the 6.5's.

Im told some 6.5s were steel cranks and some 6.2s in 1 ton stepvans were also, although Ive never seen one. Anyone confirm this ?
Id bet if any 6.2s had steel cranks the military trucks had them.

[mike nixon]

If any had a forged crank it'd be the military. The 1 ton's I've been into were all cast.

Considering GM supplied all the engines from the same source I'm betting all the cranks were cast.

I've also heard that due to the piston gaulding issue the 6.2's had in high heat situations the military has bee dumping the old blocks in favor of the current, improved unit that's on the market currently.

Mike

[455Grandville]

Originally Posted by mike nixon

If any had a forged crank it'd be the military. The 1 ton's I've been into were all cast.

Considering GM supplied all the engines from the same source I'm betting all the cranks were cast.

I've also heard that due to the piston gaulding issue the 6.2's had in high heat situations the military has bee dumping the old blocks in favor of the current, improved unit that's on the market currently.

Mike

UNREAL Mike : GM would put a steel crank in a gasser 350 if it went in a 1 ton, but not in a diesel !?!?!

[MetalHead175]

Originally Posted by 455Grandville

I laugh everytime I hear a newer diesel owner (Duramaxx, Cummins, Powerstroke) tell me they get 30 mpg

My dad's newer Excursion with a 7.3 Powerstroke gets 26 mpg on the freeway and 22 around town...and thats in a 7000lb beast...it can still manage 18 pulling the boat up hill to shasta lake, or 16-17 average to trinity lake. Diesels are definatly...very impressive. It's kinda weird to think, even those old 6.2 diesels your talking about, still get around what my LS1 car gets....
-Jason

[1967Clone]

Originally Posted by MetalHead175

My dad's newer Excursion with a 7.3 Powerstroke gets 26 mpg on the freeway and 22 around town...and thats in a 7000lb beast...it can still manage 18 pulling the boat up hill to shasta lake, or 16-17 average to trinity lake. Diesels are definatly...very impressive. It's kinda weird to think, even those old 6.2 diesels your talking about, still get around what my LS1 car gets....
-Jason

[Zombi]

I rebuilt the 6.2 in my K5 Blazer. It's a bored 6.2L short block, with 6.5TD heads, a 6.5TD injection pump, non-egr intake, and a much improved cooling system (6.5 water pump, twin t-stat crossover). It also has the Banks Sidewinder turbo and exhaust system on it.

The truck is an 83 K5 Blazer, D60 front, 700-r4, 14 bolt FF rear, 37" swampers, I had it on a scale and it weighs in at 6500 lbs with me in it.

My advice: Stay away from the 6.2. The blocks break, even at stock power levels. The cranks break at stock power levels. ALL the heads have cracks in them. They don't make much power without a turbo, and they blow the head gaskets when you put one on. Yeah, I get up to 20 MPG, but that's probably because I had to turn the fuel way down to keep the EGTs under control at WOT.

To put it in perspective: My 6.2 makes respectable power, for a 6.2. Not too long ago I was following my dad (stock 97 F250 powerstroke). We both stopped at the bottom of a long hill and then took off. I had the pedal floored and he still quickly pulled away from me and wasn't even trying. The kicker was that he was pulling a car on a trailer and I wasn't towing anything.

I'll run this 6.2 until it explodes, then I'll look into a 6BT swap.

[Zombi]

Originally Posted by 1967Clone

So much in fact, I converted it to a GM HEI I pulled off a 77 Nova inline 6. All I had to do was swap the gear and have the flange machined off. I believe the oil pump is a bolt on too. The one I pulled from my cruiser has well over 300K on it.

Just curious, where did you find the information on putting the HEI in the cruiser engine?