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VIN numbers for 68 GTO
Other than the data tag on cowl, number on dash and stamping on frame which is almost impossible to see, is there anywhere else on a 68 GTO where there is a VIN stamped?
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No VIN on cowltag?
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Yes there is a VIN on cowl tag. Other than the 3 spots I mentioned on original post, can Vin number be found stamped anywhere else on a 68
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Pontiac and Kansas City built A bodies do not have the VIN on the cowl data tag.
What build plant is the vehicle in question from? Oshawa has included the partial VIN under the heater box for some model years but they are the exception rather than the rule. K
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The only place where the full VIN is stamped (actually embossed) on a 68 GTO is the dashboard.
There are partial VIN's stamped on the frame, engine block and transmission. An example would be 28P123456. 2=Pontiac Division, 8= 1968 Model Year, P= Pontiac Michigan assembly plant and the last six digits will match the last six of your VIN, assuming your car is numbers matching. There is NO VIN stamped on the data/cowl tag, I have an example picture; 05C is the build date, 68-24237 = the year and the model, 2=Pontiac, 42=GTO and 37 =Coupe. The 20840 = the 20,840 GTO coupe built at the Pontiac plant. 223 = Black bucket seat interior and Q-Q = Verdoro Green upper and lower paint, but again there is NO VIN on these tags. Also starting in 69 I have seen the partial VIN stamped on the firewall under the heater box/blower motor, but I have never seen it stamped there on a 68. |
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U r right about cowl tag, I wasn’t thinking. Is this ur tag or an example? After the build date mine has a bunch of numbers. Car was built in Fremont and where ur pic shows PON as plant mine has what appears to be DFO. Engine and trans not original.
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Yes, that is a picture of one of my trim tags. The code you are seeing on your tag is BF=Freemont plant, the digit is 0 (zero) not O. The zero is the start of your body number. The two sets of numbers that are after the build date are some internal sequencing numbers. Some plants put some sequencing numbers on the tag, some didn't. It has been discussed a few times here on the forum and nobody really has been able to decipher any of the internal seq. numbers.
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Assembly plants assign sequence numbers in the body (weld) shop, and again in the trim shop. The final line sequence number (the "General Assembly", or GA sequence number) becomes the gold source once established. Most plants have the ability to re-shuffle the build order at the end of each of those locations, by having a body bank, or buffer. Builds can be shuffled at the end of body shop to allow for extended repairs; builds can be shuffled at the end of trim for repairs or to level the workload in the downstream operations (ie, can't have too many AC cars in a row; can't have too many manual trans cars in a row; can't have too many tripower cars in a row). Fremont did not have that ability and was one of the few plants that built "straight through". As a result they were able to broadcast the body shop sequence number and have it maintain its significance through the entire build process. K
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my 68 has it stamped on the fire wall but not a complete vin
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That would be a partial VIN. Is that a Baltimore car? It looks like a B in the partial VIN. Don.t see too many Baltimore built cars here in St. Louis, Mostly Pontiac plant cars and some Kansas City built. That would be a first for me seeing a partial VIN on the firewall on a 68 GTO.
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The body on my 68 has random numbers & letters stamped in various places that I found during the restoration process. Never knew what any of them meant. Dates, plant number? No vin that I came across, but I would guess the other stampings mean something that would connect a cars build date, or maybe mfg plant. Maybe both? So while they aren't vin numbers, they could still likely tie things together like the way dates on the drivetrain parts & glass do? Just a thought......
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Last edited by 68pongto; 12-17-2019 at 01:22 AM. |
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@68pongto; id been keen for a rust-free 68 shell: GTO or LeMans from the PON plant. You gots?
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No, nothing like that. In referring to the data I have collected, it is from many sources, ebay, internet, this forum, salvage yards, car shows, my own cars, etc. I take pictures or save pics. of just about every trim or vin tag on 68 GTO, LeMans, or Tempest I see.
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The body number is, without question, sequential for a GTO vs LeMans. The convertible body sequence is separate from the Hardtop body sequence also. I do not have as much information collected on 68 GTO VIN / body number as you - perhaps 100 all totaled. You have great knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
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68ponGTO, You weren't at the Muscle car nationals last November were you?
I was about 30' away from my 68 & somebody respectfully stepped over the display & took pictures of just the tags & numbers. Harmless, but I thought it was a little bit peculiar . I was talking to another gentleman at the time, so I didn't get a chance to find out what the person was up to. I figured it was somebody collecting data though. Or it could have had something to do with the show?
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