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Static Compression Ratio
Ok, I need help to find where my calculation is wrong. I'm trying to create a spreadsheet for calculating static compression ratio. When I plug in the numbers from my old GTO to test it out, it is coming up light. Here's what I have.
Chamber Volume = 72 cc's Gasket Volume = 9.28 cc's (4.3" bore x .039" crushed thickness) Fel Pro 1019 .020" in the hole = 4.37 cc's (4.12" bore x .020" below deck) Valve Relief Volume = 6.7 cc's (TRW Forged Slugs) Cylinder Volume = 819.25 cc's (4.12" bore x 3.75" stroke) Formula = (72+9.28+4.37+6.7+819.25)/(72+9.28+4.37+6.7) =911.6/92.35 =9.87:1 Factory rating was 10.75:1. What is wrong with my math?
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469 (455 + .060") with the Edelbrock RAIV cam, Ported 6X-8 heads with 1.77" exhaust valves, 100 cc's, "0" decked block for 9.3:1 static CR, Eagle 1.65:1 roller rockers, Edelbrock RPM manifold and Edelbrock 750 carb., 1.75" x 3.0" Hedman Headers, 2.5" flowmaster exhaust system with "H" pipe and Dynamax super turbo mufflers. 200-4R with a Continental converter, 3.07:1 12 Bolt Saf-T-Trac |
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Nothing. I get the same answer.
Stan
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The factory advertised compression ratios listed are generally optimistic by 1/2 to one full point. This has become a pretty well known fact in the Pontiac hobby.
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Compression?
So then with a compression ratio of 10:75, what would the cranking pressure be? How about 9:5 to 1, Just asking as my 127 headed 421 had a cranking pressure of 220 psi. How does long duration versus short duration affect this? Please edumacate me. Also i am at 4700 feet elevation dose that make a difference?
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The lower the CR the lower the Cranking PSI The earlier the IVC the higher the Cranking PSI The later the IVC the lower the Cranking PSI Yes 4700 feet elevation will have less Cranking PSI than the same engine will at sea level. Stan PS What are the specs for your engine which cranked 220 psi @ 4700 feet?
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That makes sense, glad my math was correct. I always wondered how a '68 428 GP could have the same CR as a '68 400 GTO with the same 16 heads. Obviously, it can't/doesn't.
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469 (455 + .060") with the Edelbrock RAIV cam, Ported 6X-8 heads with 1.77" exhaust valves, 100 cc's, "0" decked block for 9.3:1 static CR, Eagle 1.65:1 roller rockers, Edelbrock RPM manifold and Edelbrock 750 carb., 1.75" x 3.0" Hedman Headers, 2.5" flowmaster exhaust system with "H" pipe and Dynamax super turbo mufflers. 200-4R with a Continental converter, 3.07:1 12 Bolt Saf-T-Trac |
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Similar deal with 421 and 389 engines. The 421 pistons had very large deep valve reliefs as compared to the shallow small reliefs on 389 pistons. Definitely a big difference in valve relief volume between the 421 and 389 pistons, very likely a 6cc difference between the two.
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Your formula is also not taking into account the average 1.5 CCs in compression ring back land clearance for both rings if your top ring is not hapless.
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Thanks, B-Man. I never knew the 421/428 had larger valve reliefs. I've never actually seen one. I only worked on 400's and 455's.
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469 (455 + .060") with the Edelbrock RAIV cam, Ported 6X-8 heads with 1.77" exhaust valves, 100 cc's, "0" decked block for 9.3:1 static CR, Eagle 1.65:1 roller rockers, Edelbrock RPM manifold and Edelbrock 750 carb., 1.75" x 3.0" Hedman Headers, 2.5" flowmaster exhaust system with "H" pipe and Dynamax super turbo mufflers. 200-4R with a Continental converter, 3.07:1 12 Bolt Saf-T-Trac |
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Cr vs CP
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Last edited by 421mike; 08-16-2022 at 04:22 PM. Reason: added |
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