[63Banshee]

I wouldn't bet on many, if any, GTO ACC codes translating to early Tempest. I'm surprised there isn't comprehensive information easily found on this subject online.

[Sanduners]

Originally Posted by Sanduners

The ACC is 2-3 (what does that code mean?)

Could this "2-3" mean that all 2x AND 3x accessories were included???

My book only shows several accessories listed in the back; Back-up light, electric clock, front seat belts and a tachometer. I'm sure there were more available.

And thanks for letting me know it has the Custom Steering Wheel not the Deluxe. (another post)

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Sanduners

Could this "2-3" mean that all 2x AND 3x accessories were included???

No. That does not seem likely - based on what we know about other body styles and plant processes.

K

[John V.]

Ditto Keith.

Any chance you can post a pic?

BK was the Kansas City, Kansas Plant in '63. They also built full size Pontiacs there in '63.

I am only familiar with the '64 up A Body Plant Data Plates.

But 2-3 sounds like it could identify the "gate" no., although the 2nd digit is typically the shift and only 2 shifts ever seen in my experience. Not sure if the BK Plant coded the Gate No. on '63 Data Plates.

Found a thread in the big car section, '63 BK Bonne with 2-10 on the Data Plate and another thread in the Tempest section, '62 BK Tempest with 2-6.

So it sure looks like a Gate code rather than any Accessory coding. Not all plants coded any accessories on the Data Plate, so that isn't unusual.

Not all plants coded the gate no. but that is what it looks like to me. Looks like BK may have coded it reverse from other plants, 1st digit being the shift, 2nd the gate. Would mean yours was done in gate no. 3 on the 2nd shift.

The gate no. was the "jig" used to fabricate the particular Body Assembly within Fisher Body at that Plant. Helped for QC in case a Body Assembly was screwed up, they could trace it back to the jig used to see what went wrong.

The Pontiac Plant built more Pontiacs, had more gates assigned to each Body Style, compared to the Satellite Plants which needed fewer gates for each Body Style. Pontiac may have had gates numbered 1-60 while a satellite plant may have had fewer than 15 gates or as in the case of a '64 A body Plant, may have had maybe 4 gates assigned for the Pontiac A body production.

[Sanduners]

Originally Posted by John V.

Ditto Keith.

Any chance you can post a pic?

Here: BTW, what is the best process to clean this up?

[John in Minnesota]

Are you going to remove it from the car? You can use a light media blast. Lite wire brush. Many different ways.

[John in Minnesota]

Cowl:
02C Pontiac Michigan
Style 62-2167
Body 6222
Trim 211
Paint V2
Acc. 425-532-764

Door Post 162P50661
4-4-4 Convert.
Padded Dash
Full wheel covers

Can someone break it down for me? John

[John V.]

Is the Data Plate aluminum? If so, I'd look for paint remover for aircraft, safe for aluminum.

You don't want to remove it, keep the original rivets.

Also, you'll need to find out if the BK plant painted over the Data Plate or masked it. At least in '64, Fremont masked them, at other plants they were painted black with the rest of the firewall.

In '63, the Pontiac Plant coded Data Plates with the 5 Group code system.

Looks like they used a numeric system in '62.

Maybe somebody here knows the decodes.

[boodlefoof]

My '63 2 door standard coupe tag has the following:

07C (Third week of July)
Style: 63-2127 (Standard 2-door coupe)
Body: BC (Southgate, CA)
Trim: 204 (fawn)
Paint: CCA (Cameo Ivory?)
ACC: Y83 (????)

The stock interior is fawn, paint is the right color and I know it was out of CA due to some paperwork and a "Turlock Bonander" license plate frame on it.

Anybody know what the Y83 is for the accessory code. Would this be an option package of some sort?

The car was in a million pieces and some of the pieces are from donor cars, but from what I can gather it had (and didn't have) the following:

- 4-cylinder engine with 4 barrel carb;
- auto 2-speed trans (dash shifter);
- manual drum brakes all around;
- push button radio;
- heater;
- no seat belts;
- no back-up lights; and
- front bench seat.

[John V.]

Y83 was most likely same as in '64, Décor Moldings & Insulation and only available as part of the Décor Group option.

Indicated some additional exterior brightwork. May or may not have included any extra insulation despite the option description verbiage. The Décor Group probably included a couple additional items as part of the Group option (in '64 it added the deluxe wheel discs and deluxe steering wheel with horn ring for the base 20 series Tempest, might have been the same in '63). Pontiac numeric sales code for the Décor Group was 064 in '64. Probably same in '63.

The Group options were coded in the Accy Groups box of the Pontiac Plant Manifest, if you have the PHS it will be coded on it. South Gate Plant may be a different style document but most likely even easier to identify the options.

[63Banshee]

Originally Posted by Sanduners

Here: BTW, what is the best process to clean this up?

Have a new one made.

[Sanduners]

Originally Posted by 63Banshee

Have a new one made.

I didn't know that was an option, thanks.

[hootsk]

• 12B (built in the second week of December 1961)
• STYLE 62-2167 (1962 Tempest base convertible)
• BODY BK 195 (built in the Kansas City, Kansas plant; weld shop sequence # 195)
• TRIM 210 (maroon interior)
• PAINT N1 (N = Royal Mist Metallic burgundy exterior lower body color; 1 means a soft top, white, instead of a letter for an upper body color)
• ACC. 1-12 (???)

Car's options:

- 4 bbl Buick 215 V8
- Powerglide automatic (standard with the V8)
- Pushbutton radio
- Rear speakers
- Rear ashtrays
- Inside non-glare rearview mirror
- Windsplits, or "Front fender top ornaments"
- Tri-tone seats and door panels
- Backup lights
- "De Luxe" steering wheel ring
- Parking brake "Teletale" (standard with automatic trans)
- Side-view mirrors on both doors

What it doesn't have:

- No power steering
- No bucket seats
- No side trim
- No rear trim, including no "rear peak fender moulding"
- No courtesy lamps
- No "De Luxe" hubcaps - it has poverty caps with no trim rings
- No "Soft Ray" or tinted windshield

[John V.]

Same as in an earlier past, most likely identified the Gate No.

Thanks to 64Woodwheel, I have a copy of a 1964 PMD letter that identifies the Gate No. on the Data Plate and says it is:

"Side frame or fixture used to hold body panels in proper position during welding process."

As Keith Seymore has described it, by knowing the Gate No., if Body Assembly problems were detected downstream, the issue could be traced back to a Gate No. and the fixture could be repaired as needed.

Fisher Body-Kansas Plant apparently coded the Gate with a 1 or 2 first digit (presumably to identify the shift) and the Gate No. 2nd digit. The Fisher Body-Pontiac Plant coded it reverse.

But the purpose was the same. Had nothing to do with Option & Accessory content of the build.

[hootsk]

The '90s-era 300K limit on PDFs forced a crush to that size from a 17MB file, so the quality's not so good. If you want the higher-res version, please PM me with an email address and I'll send it directly to you.

Chuck

[hootsk]

• 01B (built in the second week of January 1963)
• STYLE 63-2217 (1963 LeMans two-door Sport Coupe)
• BODY BC 3477 (built in the South Gate, California plant; weld shop sequence # 3477)
• TRIM 213 (black vinyl interior)
• PAINT AAA (A = 9300 Starlight Black exterior lower body color; same upper body color; third “A” might mean same paint on dash and doors?)
• ACC. Y83 (???)

This car has:

• 326 V8
• power steering
• air conditioning
• automatic transmission
• bucket seats
• console shifter
• pushbutton radio
• windsplits on fenders
• side trim
• window trim
• lower trim
• two-speed wipers
• windshield washer

This car didn't have:

• power brakes (I added them)

[boodlefoof]

Originally Posted by hootsk

...

• ACC. Y83 (???)

This car has:

• 326 V8
• power steering
• air conditioning
• automatic transmission
• bucket seats
• console shifter
• pushbutton radio
• windsplits on fenders
• side trim
• window trim
• lower trim
• two-speed wipers
• windshield washer

This car didn't have:

• power brakes (I added them)

It appears that the about only things your Y83 shares with my Y83 are (1) manual brakes, (2) pushbutton radio, and (3) auto trans.

And, they are both South Gate, CA cars.

[John V.]

Originally Posted by hootsk

• 01B (built in the second week of January 1963)
• STYLE 63-2217 (1963 LeMans two-door Sport Coupe)
• BODY BC 3477 (built in the South Gate, California plant; weld shop sequence # 3477)
• TRIM 213 (black vinyl interior)
• PAINT AAA (A = 9300 Starlight Black exterior lower body color; same upper body color; third “A” might mean same paint on dash and doors?)
• ACC. Y83 (???)

This car has:

• 326 V8
• power steering
• air conditioning
• automatic transmission
• bucket seats
• console shifter
• pushbutton radio
• windsplits on fenders
• side trim
• window trim
• lower trim
• two-speed wipers
• windshield washer

This car didn't have:

• power brakes (I added them)

See Post 30 for the Y83 decode info.

Do you have the PHS?

Such codes were called UPC back in '63. GM continues to use this code format and a lengthy list of them appears on the Service Parts Identification label that has been attached to GM cars for many years now, this label identifies virtually every component of the build.

In '63, the Fisher Body Plants that used the UPCs only regurgitated a few of them on the Data Plate. The build may have included many more Accessories and Options, but Fisher Body, for whatever reason, had a pretty short list of UPCs that they would regurgitate on the Data Plate. At South Gate, Y83 would be one that they chose to code (whenever the build included that option).

[Keith Seymore]

John -

That makes sense, as "Y" UPC codes are decor packages even today.

For example "YE9" = Silverado content on a full size pickup.

Responding to boodlefoof's earlier comment: Typically engines are "L" codes (eg. LS6, LE9, L05) and transmissions are "M" codes (M20, M21, MY6, M40, etc).

K

[hootsk]

• 11C (built in the third week of November 1961)
• STYLE 62-2167 (1962 Tempest convertible)
• BODY PO 1724 (built in the Pontiac, Michigan plant; weld shop sequence #1724)
• TRIM 211 (black interior)
• PAINT C-1 (C = Cameo Ivory exterior lower body color; 1 means a soft top, white, instead of a letter for an upper body color)
• ACC. 425-532-764 (???)
• 33-1 (???)

Car's options:

- 4-speed transmission
- Pushbutton radio
- Rear ashtrays
- Inside non-glare rearview mirror
- Windsplits, or "Front fender top ornaments"
- Backup lights
- "De Luxe" steering wheel ring
- Side-view mirror on driver's door
- "Soft Ray" or tinted windshield
- Bucket seats
- Side trim
- Rear trim, including "rear peak fender moulding"
- Lower trim
- Courtesy lamps
- "De Luxe" hubcaps

What it doesn't have:

- No power steering
- No power brakes

The engine was long gone by the time I got it, but the bellhousing was for a 195.