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Here's FrankG's SD. low mile, original paint car. Maybe he can chime in with his observations as to metallic or not.
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Frank was one of the guys ive talked to. He said his car is not original paint however, under the trunk is and it does have metallic in it. If its the same car.

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I can say 100 percent on my brewster the undertrunk paint is original and there is no mettalic as i previous posted

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How close did you really look? Get an LED light and check again. Ron Johnson has had his 9000 Mi original paint car for years and said it didn't have any metallic in it till he put a light to it and discovered it did.

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I have no opinion nor do I really care but This all seems so simple to me . Darrell, have you looked at the original 1973 paint formulas from Ditzler, DuPont or RM? Either they have metallic in them or they don’t. Metallic just dosent appear it has to be put in.

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What's to the theory that the yellow in the paint mix has larger solids and that's what we are seeing.

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What's to the theory that the yellow in the paint mix has larger solids and that's what we are seeing.


I would agree with that principal before I agree that the paint is metallic on purpose. It’s so subtle on the cars that it is present that it shouldn’t be considered a standard. If it was intentional my nos front valance and three fender flares all molded in Brewster green would never hope to match the rest of the car they were meant to go on.


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First of all, yellow would never show a metallic cast as it is very transparent and not a lot of pigment. Second, there is no way to find the original formula that these cars are painted unless you have a Delorean that goes 88 MPH. All the formulas that are available to the public obviously doesn't have metallic in them. And do ya think I wouldn't have thought about everything that you all have mentioned? I've been doing this over 30 years. We can say maybe all we want as maybe they didn't clean the lines out good enough from last car but I've documented too many to believe that. I don't think anyone can answer why its there, but its there and most of the theories I've heard are terrible. Come up with something that makes sense. The only one I've heard so far has been from a couple paint reps that have said they would add a slight bit of metallic to help with coverage if they were having a coverage issue and obviously that wouldn't be available for the aftermarket refinishing companies.

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The only thing that makes sense is the spoiler/flares could not be made with 'metallic' in them, thus the paint could not have any metallic in it.
(to make any kind of match)



I also would think there are some shops that still have the original paint formulas from back then?
Used to be the paint codes gave a good indication of what they had?
(have to ask some of my old painters I guess)


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Why couldn't the plastic have a slight bit of metallic in them? As far as shops having the old paint formulas, you're not getting my point.

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The plastic flares/spoilers were molded in color not painted.

How do you think they mixed paint back then?
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NO metallic in Brewster Green.

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Why do you think that the old formulas don’t exist? I certainly don’t believe that the thousands of retail paint suppliers destroyed these. Maybe I don’t get your point. I’m not saying metallic or not just pointing out a sure way of knowing. Also as far as not being able to do the plastic molding, they molded Lucy parts.

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How did this topic get to 8 pages, it should have ended on first reply.

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Frank was one of the guys ive talked to. He said his car is not original paint however, under the trunk is and it does have metallic in it. If its the same car.
Hi, Guys. Somehow, my conversation got mixed up a bit. I bought my Brewster Green TA from the original owner in 1987. It was a low mileage, garage kept original car, including the paint. The foilers and front spoiler were not in good shape, so I bought replacements. Replacements were not molded to color, so I had them painted. This is the only unoriginal paint on the car.

Like others have mentioned, I always felt that Brewster Green is not metallic, because of the "molded to color" plastic parts on a Trans Am. I am pretty certain that there is no dispute about Cameo White and Buccaneer Red being non-metallic paint. I can't imagine Pontiac would try to figure out molding a metallic color in one TA color only. But, I don't have the best eyes, and I haven't put the paint under any form of magnification as some others have done.

Darrell, I will tell you that I am planning to bring the SD to the 2018 TA Nationals. You and anyone who wants, can inspect it for yourselves and draw your own conclusions. I guarantee it's the paint that Pontiac put on the car back in 1973, and the car has been garaged all it's life, so it may be the best example of original Brewster Green paint. See you all in August.

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Lucerne blue is metallic and those came molded in color

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1973 #48 Brewster Green = PPG 2531

Black 490-240
Blue 413-520
Yellow 487-2800
Kat 495-2880
Clear 499-4080

No Poly (metallic) listed.

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Lucerne blue is metallic and those came molded in color
I tried to do some research about the plastic parts on Lucerne Blue cars, were they molded to color or painted. Of the friends that I contacted, they had repainted cars, so the foilers/spoilers are painted. I will be keeping a lookout for an original paint Lucerne Blue T/A to see if there is more to this story.

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Defenintly molded in color, I once owned an original paint car
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I agree 100% that there is NO metallic in the original formula.

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1973 #48 Brewster Green = PPG 2531

Black 490-240
Blue 413-520
Yellow 487-2800
Kat 495-2880
Clear 499-4080

No Poly (metallic) listed.

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