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Frame off doesn't mean every bolt elsewhere has been restored, it means the frame has come off, for attention hence the words. You're right, many are confused by this term and it needs further detail to know what it means.
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. It seems like the consensus is that it's an old headliner, maybe even original. That doesn't seem too bad to me. I guess the worst thing about it is that if they left the existing headliner in place when they did the car you don't know what the metal is like behind it. It's been a while since I've been around these cars but I don't recall that being one of the areas more prone to rust, maybe around the rear window but that's usually down at the lower area, is that right??. So if it's just an old headliner that's not a deal breaker.
That's the thing about these cars though, you just don't know much about them. I'm sure some of these restorations are well documented but not the ones I've looked at. This is the third car that I've really considered and they all claim to be "frame off" restorations but none of them had any documentation and none of the restorations were done by the current owner. One even said in the ad that they had photos, receipts, etc and when I talked to the guy they didn't have any documentation at all. I'll call them George Michael restorations, you just gotta have faith. Which is not good because I generally don't have much of that. |
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228870Nxxxxxx is Norwood 228870Lxxxxxx is Van Nuys
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So it's a Norwood car then.
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So it's definitely a Norwood car then.
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Seems like a very nice restoration. There will always be issues or things left undone. It all comes down to money. If you want a concours correct restoration, you will pay for it. In this case, it will cost you more money to have the issues fixed. If the asking price is close to what you think is fair, you can point out the issues and offer a reduced price to fix them. The intake manifold looks wrong, the shifter stick is wrong, the rear sway bar bushings have slid out of place, headliner, etc. I'd love to own the car. If the price was right.....
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Jhein, no problem. Like I said LOTS of Royal GTO Club guys out there that could help you.
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That is some old mold, and dirt/dust in and around the hook! A new headliner is in the T/A's future if you purchase her.
Also, I can't tell by the angle of the engine pic, but it looks like the pass. side fender has the hump for the fender brace...wrong for that year. The drivers side is correct (flat). She looks awesome though. Good luck : ) |
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I read that the short, straight shifter lever was correct for the RA III without the console, that may not be correct. I did see the say bar bushings. not really worried about that. Hopefully I can use things to my advantage on the price. |
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[/QUOTE] She looks awesome though. Good luck : )[/QUOTE] Thanks. hopefully it works out. |
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Intake looks like a 68 or 69. Has an air gap around the heat riser. Should be solid with no gap. Check the casting # and date code. Casting # should be 9799068 and have a big X on #2 runner like the one pictured. Pic 1 is a 69. Pic 2 is a 70. The shifter stick is definitely wrong. Same Hurst curved #7244 stick is correct for both console and non-console cars.
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I had my car in my heated garage and always kept the windows down a little with a cover on just to get some air in it. No problems with mold
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The shifter appears to be the correct straight one for a non-console car to me. Is there some detail I'm missing?
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Good luck : )[/QUOTE] Thanks. hopefully it works out.[/QUOTE] Do you have any other pix showing the p/s fender? Like a photo of the engine compartment from the d/s of the ta. That would show you the area I mentioned. Not the end of the world problem, but if it's wrong...it just gives you some negotiating power. The front fenders on the 70-72 TA's are replaced with later fenders quite often. |
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I'm with formulabruce on this one, really nice looking car, but nobody replaced that headliner, way too much crud on several areas, coat hook especially. My car was restored 10 years ago, including the perfect original headliner (it was nice and clean, but very fragile). Don't count on pictures of the restoration either, pictures could be of one of many they have restored in the past. Cost me $10,000 and 2 years wasted to learn that lesson. You'll have to see it in person if you are interested in buying it. Do your homework before you go. Also there are some very good post on here hi-lighting most, if not all, of the 1970 only parts and other specific details about the 1970 model Firebird's. It would be worth your trouble to take note of all that great information.
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Thanks. hopefully it works out.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any other pix showing the p/s fender? Like a photo of the engine compartment from the d/s of the ta. That would show you the area I mentioned. Not the end of the world problem, but if it's wrong...it just gives you some negotiating power. The front fenders on the 70-72 TA's are replaced with later fenders quite often.[/QUOTE] Here's a pic of the p/s fender from the d/s. The later fender should have a raised platform with two holes for the brace, is that right? |
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