[1965gp]

Anyone else see this? The story I heard is he wanted 5k (story says 10k) for the car and kept getting lowballed. Got pissed off and said screw-it.....

https://tiremeetsroad.com/2019/10/28...es-lowballers/

I would have paid 5k for that- looks like a relatively rust free car which is rare on 68-70 Chargers. Hell, the grill and bumper (not reproduced) are worth almost 5k!

[72projectbird]

Man, that's painful to watch. The 68-70 Charger is one of my all time favorite cars.

[salem1912]

Not a expert, but may be some mental issues?

See the same thing with people that leave cars sit outside for years but won't sell them. If they own it I guess they can do what ever. I am thinking he's not a car guy, but he feels a lot better.

[455HOGT37]

I agree the guy has "anger issues" at the least and certainly needs to work on his coping skills, but the car was probably a 318 "nothing" car. How many were made? How many were lost filming Dukes of Hazard? Isn't every single part on this particular car available new/repro?

If nothing else, the remaining Chargers just went up in value.

[bird72]

Originally Posted by 455HOGT37

How many were made?

Google said almost 50.000.

I think the earlier nose design (General Lee) would be in a different category of desirable?

Being a MOPAR, I am sure even the plastic stuff has rust.

[goatwgn]

Originally Posted by bird72

Google said almost 50.000.

I think the earlier nose design (General Lee) would be in a different category of desirable?

Being a MOPAR, I am sure even the plastic stuff has rust.

I got a good chuckle out of that one.

[Sirrotica]

I can see exactly where this guy was coming from, having a semi rare, low mileage car (20,000 miles) that is a project car. No one thinks it's worth anything because it needs work. They ain't making anymore 73 T/As, and the aftermarket isn't producing them either. 4802 made in 1973.

It all comes down to how badly you want an early (70-73) T/A. I will not sell it for less than I want (roughly 20% of what a restored 73 goes for). So it sits on a trailer in my backyard.

I had it sold on a promise from someone that thought he wanted it. I took the 71 HO 197 heads off of it because the prospective person wanted to put a set of the aluminum RA V heads, that he sells, on it. I hauled it 180 miles one way to deliver it (south of Akron) only to find out, he heard that there was a local car for less money (which he had never seen) and wanted me to adjust my price to align with the local car that he had never laid eyes on (from the story it was a 72 car). This is after we had already agreed on a price, made a verbal deal, and I wasted 2-3 days removing the heads and headers, loading it on a car dolly, and transporting it 360 miles for free. He never offered to pay me for fuel to transport it to his shop...….

He called me, he wanted to buy the car, pursued it for more than a year, I had never transferred the title to my name so I went ahead and took it to the local DMV to get the serial number and mileage verified and got it all legally in my name with an Ohio title. I did all the extra work on good faith of his word that he definitely wanted to buy the car, you can see what his word was worth in the end.

I turned the rig around and drove 180 miles home, fuming all the way. Yeah, I can see where the charger owner temporarily lost his temper. Dickheads like this can get the better of your common sense.

If he called me today, and wanted to give me the price we had agreed on, I'd tell him to go to hell. Likely that will never happen.

[bird72]

When I bought my old 72 Formula many years ago in Oregon, I was sitting at guys kitchen table counting money out. Wall phone rings. Guy answers. Instantly in a loud voice tells caller: "I wouldn't sell you that car if you were the last FFFnnn person on earth", and slams phone down (just realized you can't slam a cell phone down for same effect to caller). It was a funny moment that stuck with me. I get it.

[455HOGT37]

In my mind there is a big difference between a buyer backing out of a verbal/handshake deal vice dealing with lowballers. You have to EXPECT the low-ball types when selling. Why? Because the low ball offer is effective quite often. It's a buying technique, not an affront to your manhood. It's just business.

[unruhjonny]

This was the funniest post yet!

Originally Posted by bird72

When I bought my old 72 Formula many years ago in Oregon, I was sitting at guys kitchen table counting money out. Wall phone rings. Guy answers. Instantly in a loud voice tells caller: "I wouldn't sell you that car if you were the last FFFnnn person on earth", and slams phone down. It was a funny moment that stuck with me. I get it.

@ Sirrotica

Dude, that sucks!

Is there anything you learned from that ordeal which you might do different and share with us?

I haven't sold much, but the last car I sold, I required a deposit before doing prep work ect...

[455HOGT37]

I've learned a few things as a seller but two stand out:

1. Before I even consider doing the negotiation thing, I ask the perspective buyer: "if we agree on a price, are you prepared to make a binding financial commitment on the spot"? If the answer is "no", then the price doesn't move. That usually clears out the tire kickers quickly.

2. Before I lift a finger to do any form of prep work, paperwork, shipping arraignments, etc, there MUST be cash in hand. Been burned before on that one.

[unruhjonny]

@ Sirrotica;

Thanks for sharing some more.
Again, sorry to hear about the shenanigans.

Originally Posted by 455HOGT37

I've learned a few things as a seller but two stand out:

1. Before I even consider doing the negotiation thing, I ask the perspective buyer: "if we agree on a price, are you prepared to make a binding financial commitment on the spot"? If the answer is "no", then the price doesn't move. That usually clears out the tire kickers quickly.

2. Before I lift a finger to do any form of prep work, paperwork, shipping arraignments, etc, there MUST be cash in hand. Been burned before on that one.

Thanks too for speaking up - that first point is pure gold!
I'll try to remember that.

[455HOGT37]

Originally Posted by unruhjonny

Thanks too for speaking up - that first point is pure gold!
I'll try to remember that.

No problem. There is a Part 2 to that first point: make sure the deal is written down and both parties understand.

I sold an airplane a few years ago and my asking price was very fair. Guy comes along, likes the airplane and then starts asking if I will add a few things/do some work prior to delivery. In my mind, this was "the negotiation" and the work I agreed to was equivalent to me moving off my price. I agreed and we shook hands. A week later when he had the funds lined up, THEN he starts in on the "PRICE" negotiation. Long story short, he thought me doing extra work was gratis, and separate from price.

I did the deal but it was an expensive lesson.

[Goat Roper]

Momma must be proud of her little manchild, what a dolt.

[Sirrotica]

Since this person is very well known in the Pontiac hobby I didn't ask for money down, I trusted him. He wanted a testbed/showcase for his new at the time RA V cylinder heads. I've actually known him quite a while before we entered into this deal, although I never had any business dealings with him previously.

In retrospect I should have gotten a deposit, but felt he was trustworthy. When it comes to money though, people change their attitude.

I've noticed when he lists something for sale on this forum, he wants top dollar for his stuff. If he's buying something, your stuff is worth next to nothing, apparently.

If he was contemplating going with the local car, I surely would have appreciated him telling me not to pull the cylinder heads off of my car until he was certain that he was going to buy my car.

When I got there the excuses started, I thought it was a 4 speed car, it's got rust on the floor pans, etc. All these subjects were already discussed in depth before he said he wanted it. How much less would you take for the car? Dude, we already discussed price, and you agreed to it.

I had previously asked him to come to my house and look at the car before he decided whether he wanted it. At the time he said he was too busy to make the trip to lay eyes on it. At Norwalk I approached him to see if he still wanted it. He said he did, and I should get the heads off and run it up to him after Norwalk. I started on it when we got back, and called him and told him it was ready, and asked when I could deliver it.

If one of the locals hadn't seen my car sitting in front of his shop, and stopped and asked if this was the local car he was contemplating buying, I would never have known about there being a second car locally that he was supposed to go look at. As Paul Harvey used to say, "Now you know, the rest of the story".

Evidently he didn't purchase the local car either, the heads are on another car, that he already owned.

The kicker to the whole story is that I had another person interested in it, and because I was taking the people in order they contacted me in, I had to tell the second guy I had it sold. He then bought something else with the money he had budgeted for my car before I got back to him about being stiffed on the first deal. Ironically the second in line just called me yesterday, and is still interested in my car, (3 plus years later) and has some money put aside for it if I still had it for sale. Maybe the saga will end finally...…...LOL

Lesson learned, even though I already knew it from operating my own garage for many years. Money talks, bull---- walks.

[77 Canamman]

While I like the looks of that gen Charger, I don't blame him. I had many sour experiences with those cheap slapped together piles to forever make me hate that brand. My '71 Road Runner left me stranded several times.

[thebuick]

do what you want its your car

[Chris65LeMans]

If the car was worth what he was asking, someone would have paid it.

I’m sure that guy is a reasonable, thoughtful, trustworthy, easy to deal with seller, too.

[shaker455]

Originally Posted by 1965gp

Anyone else see this? The story I heard is he wanted 5k (story says 10k) for the car and kept getting lowballed. Got pissed off and said screw-it.....

https://tiremeetsroad.com/2019/10/28...es-lowballers/

I would have paid 5k for that- looks like a relatively rust free car which is rare on 68-70 Chargers. Hell, the grill and bumper (not reproduced) are worth almost 5k!

Just plain "Stupid"

[grandam1979]

It’s worth what someone will give you for it no more. If all he got was low ball offers that’s all it’s worth he is a dumb a$$. Oh and rare and valuable are not always the same thing.