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Old 04-07-2018, 10:34 AM
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Default 1st test drive. (Motor built by GTOFREEK- Paul Carter)

1968 Pontiac GTO

- 462 cubic inch (A Gtofreek creation)
- Torker 2 intake
- Holley 870 Street Avenger
- Ram Air Restorations manifolds
- Flowmaster exhaust
- Turbo 400
- Torque converter by Cliff Ruggles
- 3.55 gears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHLshwwe-Tc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trbmuNgY-tY
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1968 Pontiac GTO

- 462 cubic inch (A Gtofreek creation)
- Torker 2 intake
- Holley 870 Street Avenger
- Ram Air Restorations manifolds
- Flowmaster exhaust
- Turbo 400
- Torque converter by Cliff Ruggles
- 3.55 gears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHLshwwe-Tc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trbmuNgY-tY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Agat3Ncnw
Sweet
Paul does awesome work....sounds great ...what stall converter what heads and flow......

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Sounds great and beautiful car!

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Looks like fun!

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Sounds great! Nothing like a good first test drive!

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466 Mike Voycey shortblock, 310cfm SD KRE heads, SD "OF 2.0 cam", torker 2
373 gears 3200 Continental Convertor
best et 10.679/127.5/1.533 60ft
308 gears best et 10.76/125.64/1.5471
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Sweet
Paul does awesome work....sounds great ...what stall converter what heads and flow......
^X2..More details like above with cam type and specs. Thanx.

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Sorry I didn't put all the specs. I'm very new to this car game and still learning. So Mike, Will or Paul..Feel free to chime in. The converter is a 3000 to 3200 stall. I do have KRE heads (D-port) and believe the flow is 260-270...?
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Sorry I didn't put all the specs. I'm very new to this car game and still learning. So Mike, Will or Paul..Feel free to chime in. The converter is a 3000 to 3200 stall. I do have KRE heads (D-port) and believe the flow is 260-270...?
I know it's one of Cliff's 9.5" converters from the new vendor he is using - maybe 3K stall?

Here is Paul Carter's thread on the dyno session:

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=809537

"Well, I finished up a 455 and got it dynoed yesterday. Here are the engine specs.

455 + .030 = 462 CID. Stock 455 crank.
KRE D-port heads, exhaust opened to 1.77" valve. Bowl blend to blend valve job, and a port match to stock Fel-Pro intake gasket[not the 1233 or RAIV size]. No other porting done. Heads flowed around 265/190 CFM, IIRC. I'll have to dig up the flow sheet on them.
Lunati Voodoo HR cam, 243°/251° @ .050", ground on a 112° LSA, installed on a 105° ICL. Hylift/Johnson hydraulic roller lifters[slow bleed]
Torker II intake, unported.
10.5:1 compression.
RA exhaust manifolds with 2.5" pipe attached.
Jeff Koerner Holley carb

Sorry, I can't get my scanner to work, so I can't scan the dyno sheet. I'll try to fix it so I can, but here's the numbers.

_RPM______torque_____HP
1600______447_______137
1700______424_______137
1800______410_______141
1900______414_______150
2000______423_______161
2100______431_______174
2200___________________
2300______443_______191
2400______455_______208
2500______470_______228
2600___________________
2700______485_______250
2800___________________
2900______497_______270
3000______506_______289
3100______505_______298
3200______505_______308
3300______512_______322
3400______519_______336
3500______526_______351
3600______533_______365
3700______537_______378
3800______537_______389
3900______541_______402
4000______542_______413
4100______545_______425
4200______546_______436
4300______549_______450
4400______553_______463
4500______553_______474
4600______552_______483
4700______553_______495
4800______552_______505
4900______550_______513
5000______547_______519
5100______542_______527
5200______536_______531
5300______531_______536
5400______525_______540
5500______518_______543
5600______511_______545
5700______502_______545
5800______490_______541
5900______486_______546
6000______471_______538
6100______458_______532
6200______427_______505

While watching the real time computer screen as it revved up, I actually saw a 551 HP number in there somewhere, but it must have been in between two data points because it doesn't show it here. Overall, not bad for unported heads, and iron exhaust manifolds."

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Sweet running car! You’re gonna need tires,lots of them.

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Stock Original 400/M-20 Muncie,3.55’s
13.86 @ 100
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462 10.75 CR,,SD 330CFM Round Port E's,Old Faithful cam,Jim Hand Continental,3.42's.
1968 Pontiac GTO : 11.114 @ 120.130 MPH

New combo:
517 MR-1,10.8 CR,SD 350CFM E's,QFT 950/Northwind,246/252 HR,9.5” 4000 stall,3.42's
636HP/654TQ
1.452 10.603 @ 125.09
http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-GTO...lip-31594.html
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Sweet running car! You’re gonna need tires,lots of them.
LOL tires lots of tires..been there!

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373 gears 3200 Continental Convertor
best et 10.679/127.5/1.533 60ft
308 gears best et 10.76/125.64/1.5471
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Paul does awesome work yes he dose

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If you notice in the engine build spec sheet, this cam was ground on a 112° LSA, and installed 7° advanced, on a 105° ICL. It made over 500 ft. lbs. from 3000-5700 RPM, and made over 500 HP from 4800-6200 RPM. These were un-ported KRE D-port heads with RA manifolds, and 2.5" pipe. Port matched to a standard blue Fel-Pro intake gasket. I put that the heads flowed 265/190, but when I looked back at the flow sheets, they actually flowed 262/190. Not too bad for a big engine with small head ports, and exhaust manifolds. This dyno sheet was with one of Jeff Koerners Holley carbs. With the carb that is on it now, and in those videos, it made about 30 HP less, or 517, IIRC.

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For clarity: is the final intake lobe 105* or 98* ILC?

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Installed at 105° ICL.

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What size/type of Holley was it dynoed with?

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Stock Original 400/M-20 Muncie,3.55’s
13.86 @ 100
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462 10.75 CR,,SD 330CFM Round Port E's,Old Faithful cam,Jim Hand Continental,3.42's.
1968 Pontiac GTO : 11.114 @ 120.130 MPH

New combo:
517 MR-1,10.8 CR,SD 350CFM E's,QFT 950/Northwind,246/252 HR,9.5” 4000 stall,3.42's
636HP/654TQ
1.452 10.603 @ 125.09
http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-GTO...lip-31594.html
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It was a Holley that Jeff custom built for a customers 428 Ford. I believe it was a 950 HP, but it could have been a 750 HP. By the time he gets done with them though, it probably flowed upwards of 980 CFM. It was not an off the shelf carb. Jeff buys specific float bowls, metering blocks, main bodies, throttle plates, floats, etc., for the intended use of the carb. Then he modifies them for what is needed. His carbs run like fuel injection, but much more responsive. We dynoed a race engine with a customers carb. The engine had good A/F ratios throughout the rpm range. It made 600 HP even. Jeff felt the carb was a little too big, so he built one that had a bit smaller venturis, and did his custom metering block mods, and that same engine made 699 HP without any other change. That was about the biggest gain we've seen from a simple carb change, except in one of our NASCAR SW tour engines that also gained 100 HP from a carb swap, but that was from going from a carb that flowed about 540 CFM[390 Holley] to a 950 HP that he had flowing 1049 CFM. That was a 353 CID, 9:1 compression SB Chevy engine. It went from 575 to 675 HP.

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These guys probably don't know Jeff's history with holley carbs. Phenomenal what he does.

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Cool beans.
Wonder what the rationale was for the Torker II & Holley... such as;

"great manifold with a Holley",
"Didn't want to start out with a Dual-Plane"
"Fresh out of Torker Is & CLIFF wouldn't share his prize Dyno Q-JET"
"we had these laying around"
"hard to find stock port manifolds"

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I wanted to keep running the ram air pan set up and from what I was told, other intakes would not give me the clearance that I needed. As for the 870 Street Avenger carb, that was suggested to me because of the intake. Having one of Jeff Korner's carburetors would have been great to have but for the $1,400 price tag he was asking, I chose to apply that money elsewhere. I think I may switch the carb and intake this summer after I see how this setup performs. I may go with something from Cliff. I spoke to him briefly about getting one done. All this is a learning curve for me. I don't know much about cars but I'm learning. One thing that I have learned, you can ask the same question about an engine build to 10 people and you'll get 15 different answers. hahaha.. I'm having fun with this though. This is just a fun street car to drive on the weekends.


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