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10-24-2019, 04:55 PM
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Anybody Ever Race the '60's 4-cyl ?
A Pontiac friend once brought one to my shop, for storage. It looked like 1/2 of a 389. This one had been in a drag car. Don't know how good, or bad, it ran. But it had 4 Carrilo rods & 4 dome pistons, & I think it also had a Ram Air IV head on it, IIRC. That's about all I can remember about it. If he don't see this & chime in, I make ask him & see what else he remembers about it.
Anyhow, this thread is to find out who has raced one of these, and to get all the performance & build specs I can. Back in the '60's & '70's, when Modified & Gas classes were still popular, one of these built correctly may have been competitive. I've always called this engine the "Iron Duke". Just learned, in recent years, that the Iron Duke was a later model 4-cyl.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Trophy_4_engine https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...30.4xD7Eq2Gnas https://www.enginelabs.com/news/home...half-an-eight/ http://nunzipontiac.com/videos.html Last edited by ponyakr; 10-24-2019 at 05:22 PM. |
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10-24-2019, 05:34 PM
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Lots of guys have.I raced a 62 Lemans with a 4 bbl 4 speed back then.Dave Johnson had I believe a 11 second one in his 63 Tempest.Nunzi Ramano STILL races one in a 63 Tempest.They made Super Duty stuff for it like forged cranks,rods,and pistons and a special SD head,alu 4 bbl intake a carb.There is a NOS 4 cyc SD AFB on ebay right now.Tom
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10-24-2019, 05:59 PM
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Any race winners, or class winners, at any big races ?
Might have been a good engine for a dragster or light Gas class car. Any pics of some of these drag cars would be appreciated. Before bracket racing took over, our local track had a class they called street modified. Mostly just went by lbs per cubic inch. So, the screamin small cube engines did best in that class. IIRC, cars with different versions of the 283 sbc were the top cars. Also some quick 302 & 327 block cars. Not a great class for a Pontiac V8 car. |
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#4
10-24-2019, 06:06 PM
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I ran NHRA back then in Pomona,did OK except for one car used to kick my butt every week.I think it was some kind of supercharged Study.It was a stock class,dont remember what else was in the class.Tom
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#5
10-24-2019, 06:41 PM
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Rusty4cyl (Member here) has run one for years.
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...46#post3772346 |
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10-24-2019, 06:57 PM
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10-24-2019, 09:59 PM
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This has gone 195mph at Speedweek and runs with ease at the strip. If that doesn't get you going try this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55PEj8OPEJA
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10-24-2019, 10:07 PM
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10-24-2019, 11:44 PM
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Mickey Thompson also experimented with them in a few drag cars in early 60's
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10-25-2019, 12:08 AM
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10-25-2019, 01:57 AM
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John Herslow use to run a dragster in comp eliminator. Specs as you said. He told me,I sold him 4bbl engine,that the 2bbl casting was heavier than 4bbl. Float less carbs because of vibrations.
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#12
10-25-2019, 01:59 AM
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A fair number of landspeed racers used the Tempest engines- mostly in lakesters.
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#13
10-25-2019, 04:24 AM
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Tempest IN A T-POT.
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10-25-2019, 10:25 AM
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FYI for the record.There were NO 2 bbl 61-63 4 cyc engines.1 bbl or 4 bbl.Tom
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#15
10-25-2019, 12:10 PM
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Charlie66 on here been running a turbo with fuel injection, all home built for years. 800hp
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10-25-2019, 12:26 PM
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this is all really cool!
At the local 'Iron Indians' Pontiac show and shine the, an older Tempest with the 1/2 V8 4 cylinder showed up... cool for sure!
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#17
10-25-2019, 01:08 PM
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A local friend used to be a dominate force at area Dirt Tracks with a 63 Tempest/Lemans and Half V8 in 4cyl Classes.
About 1980-1986 Lots of Wins and Top Three's They pretty much had a bulls eye painted on him. Dirt Tracks do get Dirty in the little leagues |
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#18
10-25-2019, 05:34 PM
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Rusty4CYL has campaigned his Jeep in the (i call it) the 100 yard dash for > 87 years.
Has tries many CYL heads and ideas. |
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#19
10-25-2019, 05:45 PM
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Oops, sorry about wrong info on carb size. Thanks Tom.
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#20
10-27-2019, 09:55 AM
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Here's some pics of Nunzi's car. I took these at Musclepalooza in 09 I think it was the only time it was held at E-town.
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