[AG]

What's the total number of non-TA RAIV 1969 firebirds?

[johnta1]

47 non-TA RA IV, I think. (55 RA IV TA's)

[johnta1]

Well, not sure, just saw another not that says there were 161 total RA IV with only 51 were TA's.

['ol Pinion head]

'69 RA4 M21 T/A hardtop............. 46
'69 RA4 M21 Firebird convert........12
'69 RA4 M21 Firebird hardtop........68
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Total '69 F-body RA4 WH builds... 126

['ol Pinion head]

'69 RA4 M40 T/A hardtop...............9
'69 RA4 M40 Firebird convert...... (?)
'69 RA4 M40 Firebird hardtop...... (?)
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Total '69 F-body RA4 XN builds.... 35

Trying to remember what I was told a few years ago on number of RA4 auto convert builds.
Wasn't many as converts, (3 ?) Was able to view the RA4 auto Expresso Brown leather interior convert 2 years ago. Fantastic cutting edge Concours restoration!!!

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Supposedly 102 Ram4 Birds = Non-TA
Going by oPh posted stats that would be 80 4spd + 22 Auto


And 55 Ram4 TA's
46 4spd + 9 Auto

That's coming up with 157 cars
vs. the 161 count
So its getting close somewhere

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

January 2023 Kissimmee Mecum had a Ram4 4spd TA bring 400k dollars
Was a very prime specimen.

About 100k higher than a similar prime 70 HemiCuda 4spd Hdtp goes for.
And higher than prime 69 Yenko Camaro's by 50-100k

[Transamric]

I'll chime in here with the figures I have and see how they match up to everyone elses numbers. I believe these came from Fred Simmonds back in the late '80's.
Total WH ENGINE production = 126. Total XN ENGINE production = 35, for a total of 161.
Total WH CAR production = 104. Total XN CAR production = 36, for a total of 140.
These numbers would include TA optioned cars.
Better yet, the Red one featured here is one of only 11 coupes with M21 built at Van Nuys! BOW DOWN!! And I bet Matt knows how many of those 11 were built as TA's.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

We definitely have some errors.
35 XN engines produced
36 XN cars produced

That's 1 car without an engine

On some of Fred's counts , the cars shipped to Canada didn't get included.
"might" could be a factor in the 140 vs 157 vs 161

The answer so far appears between 85 or 102 or 106 Ram4 Firebirds
lol

[74SDformula]

A sharp-eyed Firebird fanatic that lives out West snagged this one off of Ebay in 2015 I believe. RAIV automatic that originally sold new in Georgia from what I remember.

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Telly was "good" a typo/auto-correct for Gold ?

Yes, thanks for catching that. It’s actually a gold car with a painted black top !very different and a gold standard interior.

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by Transamric

I'll chime in here with the figures I have and see how they match up to everyone elses numbers. I believe these came from Fred Simmonds back in the late '80's.
Total WH ENGINE production = 126. Total XN ENGINE production = 35, for a total of 161.
Total WH CAR production = 104. Total XN CAR production = 36, for a total of 140.
These numbers would include TA optioned cars.
Better yet, the Red one featured here is one of only 11 coupes with M21 built at Van Nuys! BOW DOWN!! And I bet Matt knows how many of those 11 were built as TA's.

Pretty sure only 1 69 TA 4spd raiv was built at Van Nuys

[68hotbird]

There are so many numbers but here is the best I can come up with from all of my research.

69 Firebird ra iv 4 speed hardtops 58
69 Firebird ra iv automatic hardtops 27
69 Firebird ra iv 4 speed convertible 12
69 Firebird ra iv automatic convertible 5
69 Firebird ra iv total production 102

69 Trans am ra iv 4 speed 46
69 Trans am ra iv automatic 9
69 trans am total 55

Ram air 4 total 157

[68hotbird]

My original window sticker shows no 611 as it was included with the ra iv package. I'd say the dealer that added it to a ra iv car double dipped for a few extra bucks.

[68hotbird]

Originally Posted by 74SDformula

I believe this is the one you are talking about. Norwalk 2022.

that is my ra iv bird. still undecided if im going to restore it or just preserve it.

[Tellyshavilli]

Originally Posted by 68hotbird

My original window sticker shows no 611 as it was included with the ra iv package. I'd say the dealer that added it to a ra iv car double dipped for a few extra bucks.

Yes agree. that’s what I said earlier

[einstein]

Originally Posted by 68hotbird

that is my ra iv bird. still undecided if im going to restore it or just preserve it.

They're only original once.

[necdb3]

Originally Posted by muscle_collector

is yours a ra4 car?

No, Ram III