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Old 12-02-2007, 11:36 AM
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Hey guys,

I'm trying to figure out if my car was an original eight lug wheel car. I have the PHS report but it does not plainly list what type wheels came on the car.

Is there a code on the order card that denotes this?


Same Question for the rear end and axle ratio. I have a VF code (3.23 I believe) axle housing in place in the car and I think that a Safe-t-track rear end would have been mandatory on the 421 HO equipped cars like mine????? What say you?

Is there a code on the order card that denotes the rear end and Axel ratio?

Thanks,

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Old 12-02-2007, 11:50 AM
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I think, space 71 on the punch card denotes the code. Mine is VJ which is 3.73 and my code is 9
Safe t track was an option. The first letter, in our case "V" denotes safe t track the second letter refers to the ratio.

Re read GNX ranch post on his.

I will check my manuel and see if 9 relates to vj

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Thanks Patrick,

I'll dig out the PHS and take a look........then repost.


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After looking a little closer i see that line 69 on the order punch card is listed as Aluminum wheel hubs and drums but i do not have a code number in that box.

So does that mean that my car did not come with eight lug wheels??

Also i see that box 70 is for axle type. There are three listed on the order sheet

Code 1 is listed as "Safe-T-Track
Code 4 is listed as Economy Axle
Code 8 is performance Axle

I do not have any of these codes in the number 70 box on my punch card???

Seems odd. Are you sure the Safe-T-Track was not mandatory with the 421 HO option?

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You would think it was. The only real way to check is to jack it up and scrape off the years of muck off the passenger side axle tube about 6 in off the cover and get that code and hope it starts with a V. A lot of 2+2 came with the standard steel wheels and hub caps though. Not unusual. Most got converted over the years though.

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[QUOTE=bej]After looking a little closer i see that line 69 on the order punch card is listed as Aluminum wheel hubs and drums but i do not have a code number in that box.

So does that mean that my car did not come with eight lug wheels??



That is correct. No 8 lug wheels for me either. I have the spinner hub caps.

On your punch card "70" does not have a number?

I still cannot find my manual. dang it.

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That is correct. No 8 lug wheels for me either. I have the spinner hub caps.

On your punch card "70" does not have a number?

I still cannot find my manual. dang it.

patrick

That is correct. Nothing in the box at location 70 on my punch card.
I can see were the 9 in your box 70 would add up to 8 + 1 =9 or #8 Safe-T-Track + #1 Performance Axle of 3.73 = 9 in box 70 on punch card.

But why is my box empty?????

My box number 52 is empty also. I see if you have a number 1 in it you had custom wheel covers. Are those the "Spinners"?


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Old 12-02-2007, 02:03 PM
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Re read GNX ranch post on his.


Patrick

After reading the post by GNXranch I see I must of had a 3.23 open rear end.

I have no codes in boxs 69 or 70 and in 71 I have a 6 which would be a letter F for 3.23

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safey trac was an option on all cars. to my knowlege it's never been std equipt on a production model.

in later years the code on the line sheet is g-80 across the line for gm.

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Box 52 on my card has a 4 "custom sports steering wheel" aka wood wheel.

I think the custom wheel disc were the wire hubcaps. I will double check.

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Box 52 on my card has a 4 "custom sports steering wheel" aka wood wheel.

I think the custom wheel disc were the wire hubcaps. I will double check.

patrick

So what wheel covers would have been standard on the 2+2 if you did not have any of the optional choices???

Pics would be great!

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I'm looking at my Billing History Card and code "1" appears column 69, which indicates "Aluminum Wheel Hubs & Drums" per the "1965 Model Wholesale Car Order" form. Also, I have a code "1" in column 70, indicating "Safe-T-Track Rear Axle", and code "7" in column 71 ( I don't see a column 71 on the "1965 Model Wholesale Car Order" form). I know for a fact from counting the actual gear teeth and by the stamped code "VG" on my passenger side axle tube that I have a 3:42:1 differential.

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Bej: According to the dealer sales catalog, Safe-T-Track is listed as an available "Safety" option as opposed to a "Performance" option. According to my '65 Pontiac Chassis Shop Manual, Rear Axle section 4, page 5, the rear axle chart shows the following standard releases for a 421 H.O. Tri-Power equipped Catalina 2 + 2 Coupe or Convertible: 3.08 (E) with Hydramatic and Air Conditioning. 3.23 (F) for Hydramatic w/o Air Conditioning. 3.23 (F) with 3 or 4 speed Synchromesh and Air Conditioning. 3.42 (G) with 3 or 4 speed Synchromesh with or without Air Conditioning.
A 3.55 (H) was a special order with any transmission without Air Conditioning. 3.73 (J) and 4.11 (L) were also special order ratios.
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Sounds like the 7 in Column 71 would line up with "G" in the alphabet. Since I have a 6 in my box i must have had a peg leg "F" 3.23.

I am glad the previous owner went to the trouble to find a VF code axle years ago after the original went out.


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I think that the Custom Wheel Discs are the spinners. The Deluxe Wheel Discs are the basic full hubcap and I think, were standard on a 2+2.

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