[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Crossing the block tomorrow at Mecum in Harrisburg PA
https://www.mecum.com/lots/1123357/1...aa_id=611912-0

Lifelong NC - 1 owner / 1 repaint
4spd, 3.73, 1 piece #s car except for T-Handle shifter
Right wheels and dash bezel but no underhood pics.

Also same seller is offering several other cars.
Another 70 TA (base firebird clone) Ram4 4spd fantasy car
Frame Off
100,000 in receipts ,,,, might tough to recoup - who knows
Wrong wheels and dash bezel , but right tires ?
https://www.mecum.com/lots/1123358/1...aa_id=611540-0

[72projectbird]

It's the same as my 70, except black interior. It'll be interesting to see how it does. Looks like an awesome car

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Hard to make a firm prediction on sale price without under hood pics.
But feeling pretty sure I know who the seller is , and his real cars are usually always really nice under the hoods.

If anyone remembers the ultra rare Blue 70 with Black Cloth interior , 4spd AC car from some years back , I'm pretty sure this is the same collector in Piedmont NC .

[65madgoat]

The clone fortunate to get to $40k or so maybe $45k due to Ram Air IV drivetrain. Legit Trans Am could see $80k on a good day I feel

[jhein]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Hard to make a firm prediction on sale price without under hood pics.
But feeling pretty sure I know who the seller is , and his real cars are usually always really nice under the hoods.

If anyone remembers the ultra rare Blue 70 with Black Cloth interior , 4spd AC car from some years back , I'm pretty sure this is the same collector in Piedmont NC .

On the video they show a bit of the engine compartment.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

My browser has problems with Mecum site , I don't see a provision for a video.
Do the inner fender jambs and radiator support look like early pieces ?

If so , it passes the rest of the smell test.

[65madgoat]

1970 genuine T/A has correct early fenders and dash bezel.

Clone does not.

[jhein]

Alternator is a replacement. They don't show or mention the carb but seems like there's a good chance it may be original.

[70TA-RAIII]

Looks like a nice TA. Other than the alternator which has been pointed out, my nit-picky items would be fender extractor screens painted white, no drain hose on the shaker, and it looks like they maybe eliminated the TCS thermal switch and related wiring and put the gauge sending unit there on the intake.

Underhood screen shot:

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

My browser really goes back and forth with Mecum website.
I caught the fender screens , and I know I was looking at the original window sticker and other documents for the car - but now I can't see the document pics on their site at all.

The clone would be plenty cool to drive and joyride.
But too much spent on that type vehicle.
And it doesn't look like they did much or any joyriding with it.

Have seen several Ram3 TA's without original engines converted to Ram4 hardware and bring equal money as a #s Ram3 car in past years.
But this car started with a base bird.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

If any of you haven't seen the 70 TA with BROWN / Chocolate interior on eBay yet , check it out too.
65madgoat linked to it in Thews eBay thread in the 67-69 Bird section.

Has anyone ever seen another ?
I have never even HEARD of another one.

I like the Brown when in a 70 GTO , but its pretty off the wall in a 70 TA with blue stripes.
About like the one with Green interior from years ago.

[hiyabradHO]

Did it sell?

[hiyabradHO]

High bid was $67,000. No bueno.

[poncho-mike]

These cars keep coming out of the woodwork.

I met up with Mark (RAM5JUMB) and his uncle about a year ago. His uncle was buying a Hudson motor from a restorer near Gastonia NC. The restorer was working on a lightly modified Lucy Blue 1970 T/A that had been in their family for many years. I had never seen or heard about the car despite living in near there for about ten years.

So they're still out there.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Big surprise to me it was only bid to 67,000
Black standard interior probably isn't everybody's first choice ,
but I know there are plenty of guys who prefer the black over the blue.
If they correct the fender screens and shifter knob - and it has correct carburetor - I think it would do more around 90k on BaT.

The clone stopped at 55,000 RNM

Black 77 SE Automatic went to 105,000 RNM

75 TA 455 4spd with 76 Nose sold for 26,400

White 70 GTO non-judge Ram3 4spd sold for 88,000

Most all the other Pontiacs so far have done good to really good for what they were.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

That 70 GTO was probably a WT car with induction added.
It had standard exhaust manifolds.
Strong money , but it was sharp looking.

[unruhjonny]

Originally Posted by 65madgoat

1970 genuine T/A has correct early fenders and dash bezel.

No offense "madgoat";
Have some here lost sense of direction?

You can have a one owner, or single family car that is numbers matching and has the wrong fenders;
This car in question was undeniably repainted - and it isn't unusual for repainted cars to get replacement panels - only recently have people worried about idiosyncrasies like correct early fender tops.

in that same vein, you could have a one owner (fifty-four year old car) that has replacement interior parts like a dash bezel which is not assembly line correct.

And similarly, you can have a clone that has all the correct parts.

I would wager that in the first twenty to thirty years, many people just serviced these as used cars, and replaced worn parts with the best they could find.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

That's what makes the intact / original cars more valuable and more incredible.
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[Ramairnacho]

Originally Posted by unruhjonny

No offense "madgoat";
Have some here lost sense of direction?

You can have a one owner, or single family car that is numbers matching and has the wrong fenders;
This car in question was undeniably repainted - and it isn't unusual for repainted cars to get replacement panels - only recently have people worried about idiosyncrasies like correct early fender tops.

in that same vein, you could have a one owner (fifty-four year old car) that has replacement interior parts like a dash bezel which is not assembly line correct.

And similarly, you can have a clone that has all the correct parts.

I would wager that in the first twenty to thirty years, many people just serviced these as used cars, and replaced worn parts with the best they could find.

Well I'm learning alot on this site and Like you said these are old cars. I believe incorrect fenders probably means an automobile accident that's why some guys don't like it. That's my understanding of why it's mentioned. Fenders don't normally wear out dude but interior does. It's possible that it got a replacement front end and frame tweeked. Big red flag for big dollar car

[unruhjonny]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

That's what makes the intact / original cars more valuable and more incredible.
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I completely agree.

And it gives people who are restoring their cars to the highest level of correctness as a guide book of sorts.

I mean wrong fenders shouldn't be that big of a deal - surely the presence of replacement fenders doesn't take away from overall experience of the car...
I try to frame it akin to an owner going the dealer ordering replacement parts 3-5 years after purchase;
There are parts which are obviously incorrect - then there are replacement parts which are not identical to the parts originally used on the assembly line.