Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-14-2019, 12:13 AM
70FormulaCA's Avatar
70FormulaCA 70FormulaCA is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 490
Default 1970 Firebird Chrome Tail Pipes - are these original?

Are these tail pipes 1970 originals? They are from a 1970 Firebird Formula.

Please let me know if more pictures or info are needed. Thanks.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20190223_171638.jpg
Views:	191
Size:	41.4 KB
ID:	507961   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20190223_171322.jpg
Views:	146
Size:	60.2 KB
ID:	507962  

__________________
70 Formula 400 Auto non-A/C

Wanted: 71 or 72 Formula HO 4spd - leads very much appreciated.
  #2  
Old 03-14-2019, 12:13 AM
Uncle Judge's Avatar
Uncle Judge Uncle Judge is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,080
Default

Nope! Not even close.

  #3  
Old 03-14-2019, 06:48 AM
455hota's Avatar
455hota 455hota is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Holt, MI
Posts: 727
Default

Second that opinion: nope definitely not 1970.

Should be like:




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

__________________
...Steve T.
"Resurrection of a 1970 Trans Am" Blog
www.455hota.wordpress.com
-------------------------------------
1966 GTO 4 speed Hardtop Alabama car (Marina Turquoise w turquoise interior)
1970 TA 4 speed Canadian car (Lucerne Blue w bright blue interior)
  #4  
Old 03-14-2019, 12:15 PM
Norwood's Avatar
Norwood Norwood is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago, Illinois
Posts: 6,650
Default

Agree with above
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	ECB58B65-7B6C-4FFB-8EF1-CEDA35809429.jpg
Views:	112
Size:	33.1 KB
ID:	508003  

  #5  
Old 03-14-2019, 12:28 PM
Uncle Judge's Avatar
Uncle Judge Uncle Judge is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,080
Default

Maybe these pictures of the full extensions will be a little more helpful?
Here is a set of original 1970 tips.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  #6  
Old 03-14-2019, 12:31 PM
Uncle Judge's Avatar
Uncle Judge Uncle Judge is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,080
Default

And here are a few pics of the 1970 extensions compared to the 71-73 extensions.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  #7  
Old 03-14-2019, 12:33 PM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,293
Default

not only did I get beat to the punch, but I got clobbered!!



Again, I am glad to see membership helping out!

The people make this site unarguably the best resource for enthusiasts like myself
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0487.jpg
Views:	325
Size:	64.7 KB
ID:	508004  

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
  #8  
Old 03-14-2019, 04:40 PM
Norwood's Avatar
Norwood Norwood is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicago, Illinois
Posts: 6,650
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Judge View Post
And here are a few pics of the 1970 extensions compared to the 71-73 extensions.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Is there anything you don’t have ?

  #9  
Old 03-14-2019, 04:49 PM
Uncle Judge's Avatar
Uncle Judge Uncle Judge is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,080
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwood View Post
Is there anything you don’t have ?
There is plenty that I don't have Craig. Including my sanity!

  #10  
Old 03-14-2019, 05:30 PM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,293
Default

what would any of you suggest for the best source for replacement 70 tips?

I bought some of the first run of PY repops, I was quite disappointed with the terrible chrome quailty...
(those are them in my picture)
These ones are probably good enough to get re-chromed...

Or maybe the repops are getting better quality now??

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
  #11  
Old 03-14-2019, 08:58 PM
Bentwheelbob's Avatar
Bentwheelbob Bentwheelbob is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 2,503
Default

I’m nominating you for Garage Makeover”....


Quote:
Originally Posted by unruhjonny View Post
not only did I get beat to the punch, but I got clobbered!!



  #12  
Old 03-14-2019, 10:17 PM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,293
Default

ha!

that level of disarray didn't last too long...
that's what happens when house renos are happening on the cheap, and the car gets sidelined a bit...

doing flooring over much of the main floor right now - but I can report nothing is on the (partially assembled) car.

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
  #13  
Old 03-14-2019, 10:46 PM
Formulabruce's Avatar
Formulabruce Formulabruce is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: North East of AMES PERFORMANCE, in the "SHIRE"
Posts: 9,396
Default

Tips. I Very Highly recommend Gardner exhaust. They are just perfect, and thick triple chrome. That said, You may have to buy the exhaust to be able to quality for tips, OR send them your last over axle pieces so they ensure a perfect fit. I think Mine cost 250, but I think BJ has bought that exhaust a lot closer to now than I have. Gardner has both tips. Many will cringe at the price, but I will say its worth it.

  #14  
Old 03-15-2019, 12:16 AM
70FormulaCA's Avatar
70FormulaCA 70FormulaCA is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 490
Default

Thank you all for the detailed responses! Awesome and much appreciated!!!

__________________
70 Formula 400 Auto non-A/C

Wanted: 71 or 72 Formula HO 4spd - leads very much appreciated.
  #15  
Old 03-15-2019, 10:52 AM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,293
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Formulabruce View Post
Tips. I Very Highly recommend Gardner exhaust. They are just perfect, and thick triple chrome. That said, You may have to buy the exhaust to be able to quality for tips, OR send them your last over axle pieces so they ensure a perfect fit. I think Mine cost 250, but I think BJ has bought that exhaust a lot closer to now than I have. Gardner has both tips. Many will cringe at the price, but I will say its worth it.
Thanks for the tip!
(punn intended)

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
  #16  
Old 03-15-2019, 05:10 PM
Rocky Rotella's Avatar
Rocky Rotella Rocky Rotella is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 2,687
Default

We all assume the 48-degree cut replaced the 25-degree cut with the beginning of the 1971 model year, and that may very well be the case, but the original blueprint for the tailpipe extension shows a modification date of mid-July 1970.

I've been trying to determine if it was indeed with new model year production or if the 48-degree cut was phased during the 1971 model year shortly after production startup.

The UAW strike really wreaked havoc on early 1971 model year production and a lot changed when production resumed, so finding photos of early 1971 model year Pontiacs has been difficult.

  #17  
Old 03-30-2019, 10:18 PM
Secondgenaddict's Avatar
Secondgenaddict Secondgenaddict is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Spatanburg SC
Posts: 20
Default

I hope one day I learn how to make full size pics on this forum.

__________________
70 TA 4 SPEED
73 Z28 4 SPEED
80 Z28
81 Z28 46000 MILES
  #18  
Old 03-31-2019, 04:25 PM
Transamric's Avatar
Transamric Transamric is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Western WA.
Posts: 2,606
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Rotella View Post
We all assume the 48-degree cut replaced the 25-degree cut with the beginning of the 1971 model year, and that may very well be the case, but the original blueprint for the tailpipe extension shows a modification date of mid-July 1970.

I've been trying to determine if it was indeed with new model year production or if the 48-degree cut was phased during the 1971 model year shortly after production startup.
FWIW, can say that the 07E NOR '70 TA I owned had the early slant design, which by the poor condition, I assumed to be original.

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:29 PM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017