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Old 09-01-2019, 09:36 PM
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FYI,ALL 64 tempests(GTOs) got block mounted starters!ALL!Big cars got the bellhousing mounted starters so I guess you shoot craps on a big car block.EVERYONE I have ever owned had the pad and was drilled for the block mounted starter.Tom

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Somewhere in the production of 1964 big cars, Pontiac switched to the turbo 400. Probably when they ran out of blocks without starter bolt pads

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The big cars switched over to the TB400 in August which is when production starts for the next year.

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I have personally seen ( that I clearly remember) 2 64 catalina wagons with the rotohydramatic and a bell mounted starter.One was owned by my
brother

63 castings ,put in a 64 wagon, built in 63.

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Ideas on what a supposedly rebuilt 1964 389 would be worth. Basically stock rebuild of 303 hp engine with over bore and mild (?) cam. Has about 3000 miles. I have no idea of the quality of the rebuild but it runs good. I know it can be a crap shoot.
Back when I had my 64 Cat I would have paid maybe $750 to $1000 to have a close to original engine. I would have to hear it run in the car though.
I ended up buying a 389 from the junk yard for $500 that turned out to have a rod knock. Then I switched it all over to a newer drive train because it was getting old messing with it.

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Being "rebuild" immediately raises an eyebrow. Why is it for sale?

With no exceptions every single time I got involved with a "rebuilt" engine I wished later on that I would have just put that money toward doing one myself. I got "singed" a couple of times early in my learning curve, the last time was buying a complete "rebuilt" 1969 428 engine off a guy who told me the car got totaled and the engine removed.

I bought it, paid $900 for it, had been looking for a 428 for years to replace the 400 in the Ventura (late 1980's) and three weeks later it was back out on the engine stand and I was building my own 428 to replace it. I was able to salvage the block, one head was cracked (overheated), the crank thrust was ate up, and enough metal pumped thru the rest of it I tossed most of it in the scrap pile......Cliff

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I have personally seen ( that I clearly remember) 2 64 catalina wagons with the rotohydramatic and a bell mounted starter.One was owned by my
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63 castings ,put in a 64 wagon, built in 63.
My 64 Bonneville had a bell housing mounted starter, but had the pad and tapped holes for a block mount starter, also...

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My 64 Bonneville had a bell housing mounted starter, but had the pad and tapped holes for a block mount starter, also...
Obviously they had a few slim jims left after they switched blocks.

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Obviously they had a few slim jims left after they switched blocks.
No, remember Bonnevilles got the better Hydramatic. Don't remember their exact terminology...Super Hydramatic?

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No, remember Bonnevilles got the better Hydramatic. Don't remember their exact terminology...Super Hydramatic?
Super Hydramatic, Strato Flight, Dual Coupling Hydramatic, Controlled Coupling Hydramatic, Jetaway etc.

Transmission shops and parts suppliers called them all Jetaways.

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http://www.charlietranny.com/GMearly.htm

Here is a chart

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Hydramatic

Hydramatic (Standard and Dual Path) used in 1946-63
Dynaflow

Dynaflow (2 speed) used in 1948-63 Buick only
Cast iron case PG

Cast iron case PowerGlide (2 speed) used in 1950-62 Chevrolet only
Jetaway 315

Jetaway 315 used in 1956-64 Olds, Pontiac, Cadillac, AMC
TurboGlide

TurboGlide used in 1957-61 Chevrolet only
FlightPitch

FlightPitch used in 1958-59 Buick only
Corvair PG

Corvair PowerGlide (2 speed) used in 1960-69 Corvair & 1961-63 Tempest only
Buick Special

Buick Special used 1961-63 in Buick Special only
240 RHM

Roto-Hydramatic 240 used in 1961-63 Olds F85 only
375 RHM (Slim Jim)

Roto-Hydramatic 375 (Slim Jim) used in 1961-64 Olds, Pontiac
Al PG

Aluminum PowerGlide (2 speed) used in 1962-73 Chevrolet only
300 THM

Super Turbine 300 (2 speed) used in 1964-69 Buick, Olds, Pontiac
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Hydramatic

Hydramatic (Standard and Dual Path) used in 1946-63
Dynaflow

Dynaflow (2 speed) used in 1948-63 Buick only
Cast iron case PG

Cast iron case PowerGlide (2 speed) used in 1950-62 Chevrolet only
Jetaway 315

Jetaway 315 used in 1956-64 Olds, Pontiac, Cadillac, AMC
TurboGlide

TurboGlide used in 1957-61 Chevrolet only
FlightPitch

FlightPitch used in 1958-59 Buick only
Corvair PG

Corvair PowerGlide (2 speed) used in 1960-69 Corvair & 1961-63 Tempest only
Buick Special

Buick Special used 1961-63 in Buick Special only
240 RHM

Roto-Hydramatic 240 used in 1961-63 Olds F85 only
375 RHM (Slim Jim)

Roto-Hydramatic 375 (Slim Jim) used in 1961-64 Olds, Pontiac
Al PG

Aluminum PowerGlide (2 speed) used in 1962-73 Chevrolet only
300 THM

Super Turbine 300 (2 speed) used in 1964-69 Buick, Olds, Pontiac
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Super Hydramatic, Strato Flight, Dual Coupling Hydramatic, Controlled Coupling Hydramatic, Jetaway etc.

Transmission shops and parts suppliers called them all Jetaways.
but not a slim jim....

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Without documentation and photos of the rebuild, I'd pay max $500.

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My 64 Bonneville had a bell housing mounted starter, but had the pad and tapped holes for a block mount starter, also...
Same for my California 64 Bonne (sold new in May-June '64)

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This has a few errors in it
The site had a disclaimer that the info may not be 100 % accurate.

The slim jim was used in 61-64 catalina wagons . I know that to be gospel. Seen it more than once.

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Super Hydramatic, Strato Flight, Dual Coupling Hydramatic, Controlled Coupling Hydramatic, Jetaway etc.

Transmission shops and parts suppliers called them all Jetaways.
I can call a Tomatoe , a banana .That doesnt make it a banana.

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The Slim Jim (Roto Hydro) was used on all the short wheelbase 61-64 Pontiacs ( Catalina, Ventura, & GP) from what I know. The Super Hydro (or whatever you want to call it) was used on the Bonneville & Star Chief. Seems simple enough to me. I don't understand why people get all would up about the "name" for the Super Hydro. Seems some need to loosen their shorts some.

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I don't think anyone is getting overly wound up. Man those transmissions are golden oldies.

My good Pontiac friend went with me when I went to look at a 64 Bonneville ( that I did buy). I didn't exactly remember the model of the car. He was relieved when we pulled up, and saw Bonneville on it. He told me it had the better trans in it...

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I'm interested in BUYING it. It has starter holes in block as has every 1964 Pontiac I've ever seen. Sorry "LATECH" in the 55 years since 1964 I've never seen a 1964 engine that didn't have the holes. I've been working on Pontiacs for almost 60 years.

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