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Ray Cox · 09-22-2002, 10:33 PM

What are the best time slips everybody has had with a stock block? ET + MPH + WEIGHT of car
and how many passes did it live for? Just curious Ive made several at over 1000, and so has old goat Who else and What were they?

8.90 @157 mph 3424 LBS. 77 Trans Am All Steel, on 10" tires

Ray Cox · 09-22-2002, 10:33 PM

What are the best time slips everybody has had with a stock block? ET + MPH + WEIGHT of car
and how many passes did it live for? Just curious Ive made several at over 1000, and so has old goat Who else and What were they?

8.90 @157 mph 3424 LBS. 77 Trans Am All Steel, on 10" tires

Half-Inch Stud · 09-23-2002, 05:12 AM

70455 block, 2bolt caps and 1957 Productiojn forgings.

Held 1st gear at 7500RPM for about 10seconds...just to see how it would do.

The engine did fine. Several years later, I found a z-bent rod with good bearing wear.

GONZO · 09-23-2002, 06:15 AM

Well had a 63 plymouth Valiant with a 6 cylinder, that I ran without water and drove to maximum speed (about 85 mph) on the parkway for about 35 minutes,,,,,waiting for it to blow...it didn't.

So then I stopped in a gas station and tried to put cold water in the engine, a few seconds after I dumped in a gallon of cold water, it would shoot out of the radiator like "Old Faithful" about 20 feet high!!....still didn't blow.

I then drained the oil and ran around town for about 2 weeks with it.....still didn't blow

Does this count??
Hey.. I was young and stupid......should have kept that car...hhhmmmmmmmm

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78 GHOST · 09-23-2002, 06:53 AM

While at the POCIs, I had an interesting conversation with Tom regarding the limits of a "stock block". He has some practical experience with this and some refreshing ideas about how to make some serious power.

I won't speak out of school for him, only invite him to speak for himself. -Matt

I work in high speed aluminum tubing

Half-Inch Stud · 09-23-2002, 07:04 AM

...would shift my 69Firebird between 7000 and 7500RPM while street driving. Stock rods, HEI and Q-Jet.

It's still able to run. Not bad for an inline6. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

H.I. Stud

Half-Inch Stud · 09-23-2002, 07:06 AM

My BEST PASS is 11.00 @ 123MPH. Was my 6th pass before selling the car less engine&trans.

I know, I know, not saying much. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

"11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/472 #48/Flat HYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs"

Half-Inch Stud · 09-23-2002, 07:55 AM

uhm, old68goat has >1000HP on a stock 326 block.

"11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/472 #48/Flat HYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs"

Ray Cox · 09-23-2002, 08:03 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Half-Inch Stud:
uhm, old68goat has >1000HP on a stock 326 block.
[img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]
1095 according to my calculations, but close enough! is it a 326 cubic inch? he said 455 block in his post.

8.90 @157 mph 3424 LBS. 77 Trans Am All Steel, on 10" tires

Half-Inch Stud · 09-23-2002, 08:10 AM

oh come on, I was kidding about the 326 part of that.

...is it a cast crank?

"11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/472 #48/Flat HYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs"

Ray Cox · 09-23-2002, 08:32 AM

the small cube motors do work. I have a cast crank Im not sure what od goat has, WoW I need An IA block Fast! cause I know I wont be able to hold back now! the bigger tune is commin out! old goat if I break it its your fault!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

8.90 @157 mph 3424 LBS. 77 Trans Am All Steel, on 10" tires

Tom Vaught · 09-23-2002, 04:22 PM

Quote from 78 Ghost:

"While at the POCIs, I had an interesting conversation with Tom regarding the limits of a "stock block". He has some practical experience with this and some refreshing ideas about how to make some serious power."

I am speaking out of school here for Marty Palbykin but to the best of my knowledge Marty
ran a 1967 Pontiac 400 cast iron block using
splayed steel caps and iron heads with my Ram Air
V 400 crankshaft (forged) for about three years
at 1400 to 1600 horsepower. The engine/vehicle
ran low 7 second times consistantly at 194-200
mph in a vehicle that weighed around 2900 lbs.
(with a dry-sump oil system).

The Butlers have made more power but have had
some bearing issues using the Pontiac wet-sump
system. Part of this was due to computer issues
and a crankshaft that was machined to the limit
of its stroke.

I really like Dick Duclows IA block and would
love to someday own one machined by McLaren but
for a boosted engine making around 1000 hp I
think a 67-69 400 block with a short stroke (3.5")
is a better deal for the money. You really need
Dick's block with the long strokes and big CIDs.
naturally aspirated. With a blower motor, you can
run a short stroke (easy on the block) and a
smaller bore and still make big power. Jimmy Keen
(a Ford racer made 1475 hp with a 4.030 bore and a 3.4 stroke so he has proved my statements).

My dream motor would be a 4.161 bore, 3.5 stroke,
8.75 cr, 6.8 rod, Cast Iron 6X head (even though
I own a set of killer E heads), Vortech YS-Trim
supercharger, with stepped headers (1.75, 1.875,
2.00). This combination would make 1000+ horse-
power all day long blowing through a Holley 750
carb. Tom V.

Tom Vaught · 09-23-2002, 04:27 PM

Figured my post would be at the bottom as usual
and it inserted it in the number 2 slot and rearranged all of the posts! Hey C Cass!!
Tom V.

Tom Vaught · 09-23-2002, 04:41 PM

Just old C CASS screwing around, not me going insane! Tom V.

PONTIAC DUDE · 09-23-2002, 05:33 PM

Tom, those smaller combos work (Turbo applications) but with trying to compete against the larger 600+ cu.in motors on NOS. Then ya gotta get with that program.

When there are no rules, Bigger is better?

I stepped up to a 455, by having to, not because I wanted to. Torched a few pistons and hurt the cylinder. I loved my 428/440 deal. But the 455 is faster on NOS with the same identical internals. Longer stroke with a .030 bigger bore then the 428.
However I do like to keep the stroke thing in perspective, as I feel to much stroke to bore kills the quick rpm pull and hp making capability.
Same deal applies to rod ratio. but that's my secret? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img] LOL.

The turbo deal is different as the Main webbing area will take more abuse as the loading is constant and so to speak "A softer hit". And knowing the stress and certain load capabilities areas of the Pontiac block. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

"If we can't beat the price.........we can match it."
http://PontiacDude.cc

Tom Vaught · 09-23-2002, 05:52 PM

Dude,

Agree with most of what you say except:

"Tom, those smaller combos work (Turbo applications) but with trying to compete against the larger 600+ cu.in motors on NOS. Then ya gotta get with that program."

In the time I raced with Billy G. and Jimmy K.
The Chevy boys could have run their Big Motors
on the spray in Super Street but were no even in
the chase. What was the deal there? Tom V.

PONTIAC DUDE · 09-23-2002, 06:13 PM

Cause there is no competing with a Turbo..... If ya got the money LOL. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

I could have a 900 cu.in. motor, 14 stages of NOS and couldn't compete with a SBF with a turbo.
Bwahahahahaha.

That P1000B (A modified P600 unit) Street ProCharger I ran in the high 9's and it was the basic street unit!!!!

Formula One/Cart/IRL would be unreal without limitations. What 1600cc's making over 900hp???? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

Nitrous is cheaper, just harder on parts. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

9.303@135.13 ... hard on the brakes, Ray. LOL.
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Tom Vaught · 09-23-2002, 07:07 PM

Dude,

"Cause there is no competing with a Turbo..... If ya got the money LOL.

I could have a 900 cu.in. motor, 14 stages of NOS and couldn't compete with a SBF with a turbo.
Bwahahahahaha."

Very true!!!

Last year of blown F1, the 1.8L engine (110 cid)
made 1473 hp recorded on a dyno at 16,000 rpm.
(13.4 horsepower per cubic inch with a turbo)!!

Not cubic money there QUANTUM MONEY!! Tom V.

Will · 09-23-2002, 11:06 PM

16,000 RPM?

Damn. I just about wet myself when my motor hits the high side of 6,000.

Ron · 09-23-2002, 11:30 PM

I built a single cylinder dyno for Toyota Racing about 18 months ago. I can't say what was the working RPM because of an agreement I have with them but 16,000 RPM is way short of what they are wanting to do.

Ron

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