[indymanjoe]

I thought the 70 formy wheels were black originaly as well...

[Judge273]

Another way to tell a 455 vs 400 in 1970 is the 12 bolt rear is there....

[455conv]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Possibly it's a real Judge, and someone put the 455 engine in it?
(why they keep saying it's a 455 HO)

Anyway, hoping for the best for you.
Either way sounds like a nice car.

PICS are required also.

They keep saying it's a 455HO because that's what Pontiac called it.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by 455conv

They keep saying it's a 455HO because that's what Pontiac called it.

Don't confuse people - that PHS is to your car.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by redgto366

I'm waiting on PHS tomorrow to see what it comes back as. I will let everyone know hopefully tomorrow. Either way I think that this may be an interesting car as it seems to be an original RA car.

What's the word?

[OVERULD]

[Pontiac_Defender]

Originally Posted by The Boss

What's the word?

Someone else probably jumped on it after seeing the Craigslist ad and left redgto366 out in the cold. Hope that's not the case but ya never know...guess I'll pull up a seat and wait with the rest to get the scoop!

[Held for Ransom]

If he left a deposit, it should be held.

[The Boss]

The thought crossed my mind, that & Jim Mattison's cel number could have made for an interesting morning here - but that would be a 1st class dirtbag move!

[Todd Kozak]

if its a 67 model year 400 , it wont bolt up to the mounts of a 455 which you need to mate with the frame mounts of an orig 455 car. good luck with the purchase.

[gtojon]

And....the PHS says:_______________.
The suspense is killiin me.

[marxjunk]

c'mon..you can get this info in 15 minutes with a call and a credit card...

[71 lemans sport 455]

Hopefully the PHS came back as the winning lottery ticket and waiting to come foward.LOL

[1beautifuldaughter]

Hope you left a good non negotiable deposit, I think for the price the PHS would only be a bonus, meaning the car looks like an awesome project either way. I don't know you or the car and this is stressing me out,,,,LOL gle: Good Luck

[dr-doug]

My guess is blue/blue 4speed standard 400 GTO,,,,and that somebody had some spare parts 20 years ago.
DW

[1beautifuldaughter]

Hello,,, Tap, Tap, Tap, Is this thing on???

[gtojon]

No kidding, I think we are all getting bored zzzzzzzzzz......

[RicksGTO]

to be honest if I were him, and the PHS came back with good news, I think I might wait until the car was in my garage to confirm the great news. I hope that is what's happening but might be just the opposite.

[muscle_collector]

i might be wrong, but many years ago i had an orbit orange 70 judge with the 455ho and i dont think it mentioned it on the phs (this was many years before phs was in business and i would call a guy i met that worked at pontiac and he would send them to me). i dont think it was an extra cost option over the ra3. it seems like you had to have the build sheet to tell (other than the 12 bolt rear etc..) i may be wrong on this, but it seemed like the 455 cars used a different auto trans than the ra3 did. not sure on this however. i looked for the phs on it, but it was so many years ago i dont remember the vin and i have owned several orbit judges and none i saw showed the 455ho not to mention that large amount of invoice copies that i have i couldnt find anything.

[Judge273]

You are correct on the 70 Judge...If drivetrain is gone and no other clues. Then, you need buildsheet to verify if its a 455 with AT.