[hurryinhoosier62]

Jack,
It's very simple...you ask a lot of questions BEFORE you give ANYONE your money!
I started building engines in '86., Before I had ANY machine work done, I went to an
old friend(a retired USAC engine builder) and ask him who I should use. I called ALL
the references he gave me. The ones who couldn't or wouldn't give me a straight
answer I didn't use. Right now, I can name EVERY machinist I'll use in the Louisville
area. There are ONLY 4!!

[fastgto]

Yep, you`ve done your home work. I`m the same way.

[Johnny406]

Gentlemen,

In my case/this case, I bought something listed on Ebay with photographs from someone that I only heard/read good news about and had very good feedback at the time. I guess nothing is 100% except death and taxes. Even then, people will try to cheat both...

[JUDGNOT]

This is really odd seeming to me that a guy could go on ripping so many people off from what it sounds like from those who have posted up in this thread.

In such a tight nit and seemingly "everyone knows everyone" community also. These aren't Chevy's after all.

I mean does this guy operate out of a store front? I don't mean to take this down to this level but if a business owner stole my money in such a blatant fashion and after multiple attempts to contact, it's not going to be that long before I burst through that front door ready to roll some heads.. and not the iron or aluminum type. Theft is theft, this is worse than someone stealing the heads off my engine at night when I'm sleeping and people get shot for that.

I don't get it. I'd be afraid for my safety if I had wronged so many people.

[fastgto]

Well said.

[Roar]

Andy is a thief and a liar. Luckily for him I live in Norway, but I got some buddies overseas. Strange that I just sold some valve springs to them that they could pick up at Andys store. LMAO

[67 Lamnas]

Originally Posted by JUDGNOT

This is really odd seeming to me that a guy could go on ripping so many people off from what it sounds like from those who have posted up in this thread.

It makes you wonder how people like him and 'the flopper' can even stay in business with so much bad press out there about him.......

[Johnny406]

As I promised to everybody on this forum and PZ I took one of the heads to a very well known and respected engine builder here in town. He specialized in circle track and Pikes Peak Hill Climb engines but he has built alot of Pontiacs and is very Pontiac Smart. He is not a web surfer and has absolutely no knowledge about this case. I didn't even tell him the purpose of the test and who built the heads until after I had picked the heads up and put it in the trunk and paid him for his service. That is about as impartial as I can get.

Guide plates and studs were listed but not included.

Below I will list the head flow for both intake and exhaust. Below hat I will attach the complete unedited Ebay listing for these heads. I wish I had a scanner to attach these.

Intake Flow from the FLOW PRO Report

Lift---DEPR---Range---Percent---CCFM---ACTUAL DEPR
.050 28.00 I2 64.77 46.6 27.99
.100 28.00 I3 60.30 91.4 28.01
.200 28.00 I4 48.10 144.9 28.00
.300 28.00 I4 58.91 177.4 27.98
.400 28.00 I4 65.01 195.8 27.96
.500 28.00 I4 68.23 205.5 27.98

Exhaust Flow

.050 28.00 E2 51.71 39.7 28.08
.100 28.00 E3 27.25 41.5 28.04
.200 28.00 E3 54.56 83.1 28.01
.300 28.00 E3 72.03 109.7 28.02
.400 28.00 E3 84.05 128.1 27.99
.500 28.00 E3 91.69 139.7 28.00
.600 28.00 E3 96.00 146.3 28.00

This is a rare set of casting number 96 heads and will turn your 8:1cr 455 into a 9.5:1 comperssion engine that will run on 91 octane fuel and give you an extra 80+ HP. Head specs are 96cc chambers 2.11 intake valves and 1.77 exhaust valve Valves are stainless 1 piece hi-flow valves Heads wrere in perfect condition and cleaned & magged with no cracks found,we fited bronze bullet liners in all the guides and honed for correct clearance,heads were surfaced and chambers debured,seats were cut with a Hi-Performance 3 angle valve job and valves
refaced,heads will be built with new springs and shimed to correct hieght,heads come with guide plates and rockers studs and are painted orininal Pontiac blue,new brass freeze plugs are installed. In out opinion you will not find a nicer set of these rare heads. All machine work is carried out in house at our shop by technicians with over 30-40 years experience See our other actions for ported Edelbrock heads street and race(shipping and other discounts for perchase of a set of heads with this short block kit) Outlaw Racing Engines Specilising in Pontiacs & BBC's for over 30 years Designers and builders of the Badest Pontiac & BBC Pump Gas engines on the planet !!! Road Warrior 455 670hp 630 lb/ft Road warrior 505 742hp 670 lb/ft (featured in Hot Rod Magazine Dec 2005 & Hot Rod fall 2006 engine special) Road Warrior 535 852hp 700 lb/ft The Howitzer BBC 626hp 620 lb/ft(featured in Popular Hot Rodding oct 07 & Engine Masters winter 07) The Hellraisser Blown BBC 849hp 768 lb/ft (featured in Popular Hot Rodding dec 07) Coming soon in Popular Hot Rodding stroking a Pontiac 400 to 496ci Fastest N/A Outlaw 10.5 street car in the world 648ci BBC 1440hp 2005 Grand Am with a ET of 7.08 PSCA outlaw 10.5 2007 Champions Pics are genaric Actual pics coming soon OnMar-01-08 at 08:17:49 PST, seller added the following information: Reserve has been lowered from $4500 to $3500 for this auction

Pontiac heads # 96 (makes 9.5:1cr on a 455) Item #290236501868 Item located in: Parts & Accessories:Car & Truck Parts:Engines & Components:Cylinder Heads & Parts <ALIGN=CENTERBidding is closed for this item.View seller's other auctionsCurrent Bid $750.00 (reserve met) Starting Bid $50.00 Quantity 1 # of bids 8 (Bid history) Time left Auction has ended. Location upland, CA Country United States Started Jun-05-08 07:44:17 PDT (Mail this auction to a friend) Ends Jun-12-08 07:44:17 PDT Watch this item

[68gtoMN]

I read what you posted. I don't understand the point of this post.

Seller states original heads in correct original condition, no defects. He calls them hi-flow (marketing) but states they are stock, then rebuilt.

I guess I just don't get it... :2cents:

[Ron Genovese]

Huh??????? Looks like a stock rebuild. May be a good rebuild. Maybe I'm missing something????

[Johnny406]

This is the follow up from the previous (now closed) thread. I would've tagged it there if it was open. I have been asked alot about the heads hence the post. Did he deliver what he said? Yes and no. The heads are okay, the craftsmanship/machining is fine. Minus not getting the studs and guide plates I pretty much got what I paid for. The issue here was the battle to get what I paid for...

Here is the original thread if interested

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=580601

[Ron Genovese]

I don't think $750.00 is out of line for a set of fresh, well built #96 heads.

[1971WARBIRD]

Yes, stupid me for waiting so long to take action. That is my fault for trusting him and his reputation. I wanted him to do a little additional port work/cleanup on the heads and was going to pay him the difference and he agreed.

did he do any porting?doesn't look like it.

i would have sold you a set of 6X that flow 255@.550/260@.600 for 1000.00.didn't know you were looking.

[Johnny406]

Originally Posted by 1971WARBIRD

Yes, stupid me for waiting so long to take action. That is my fault for trusting him and his reputation. I wanted him to do a little additional port work/cleanup on the heads and was going to pay him the difference and he agreed.

did he do any porting?doesn't look like it.

i would have sold you a set of 6X that flow 255@.550/260@.600 for 1000.00.didn't know you were looking.

No, he didn't do any porting nor did I pay him for any. In hind sight, I should've put the money into my 6X-4's I still have from the last motor. Oh well, I'm just glad to finally get this resolved.