[Formulajones]

Damn, you guys just can't work anything out can you? Sound like a bunch of bickering women, lol. Sometimes I think I joined a Mary K site

[Formulajones]

Bill,
Did you ever finish your book on 70-72 birds? Curious when that might come out.

[FunctionalShaker]

Can't we all just, get along?

[Formulajones]

Glad to see some of you can joke and not take things so personal.

[Norwood]

Hey Jonesy.....are there pics of a car that you may own posted anywhere on this site? if so Could you please post a link....I would truly like to see them

[70RAlll]

'jones.. no I am too damn lazy to complete this damn book. as I type I look at four 3" binders full of notes and text, just too damn lazy to convert to a word processing form. sorry ..but doubt I am going to ever finish it.. just more work than I care to spend..

Also, here are some pictures of the gold 1970 Norwood jack with the 1970 style tire iron. that tire iron has never been out of the rubber sheath,the jack has never hit ground as has the spare tire never hit ground. that trunk looked like a time warp,.

[70RAlll]

I am surprised this has not been pointed out. Look at the 71,72 and 73 sheets form400 posted in post #6. each list 3 jack assembly numbers, and 3 base assembly numbers BUT look at the base numbers, they list in parenthesis which jack the bases go with, there is a mismatch. from 71 on, no where near 3 base match with the 3 jack assm.

1971 two match
1972 1st one match
1972 2nd none match
1973 none match

Thank the notes section on these pages denoted by the circled number next to the jack and base listings will tell you more..

[FunctionalShaker]

Bill, does that jack assy. have a date code on it? I've got a couple of short neck style lug wrenches -- one with an O on it, the other no marking. ...?

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Norwood

Hey Jonesy.....are there pics of a car that you may own posted anywhere on this site? if so Could you please post a link....I would truly like to see them

Wow, that's a nickname I haven't heard in years

I'm thinking I've had pics of some of them on here at one time or another, however issues with photobucket never leaves them up for long. I know I've at least emailed pics to some members that expressed interest in buying a couple cars. If you like I could try to PM a picture or two or PM me your email if you prefer...

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by 70RAlll

'jones.. no I am too damn lazy to complete this damn book. as I type I look at four 3" binders full of notes and text, just too damn lazy to convert to a word processing form. sorry ..but doubt I am going to ever finish it.. just more work than I care to spend..

I know it's a crazy time of year right now, but maybe when things slow down...

Best of luck with it, truly hope it reaches the light of day at some point.

[FunctionalShaker]

Here are the part numbers from a Dec. '71 catalog.

8.820 BASE ASSEMBLY, BUMPER JACK
1 9783363 1967/ALL - 6 X 6 ROUNDED KEYSTONE RACK
1 9181295 1967/ALL- 6 X6 SQUARED KEYSTONE
1 9775045 1967/ALL — 6—1/2 X 7—1/2 SQUARE TYPE
1 9793349 1968/ALL-KEYSTONE RACK 1-1/4X 1-5/32
BLUE
1 9793540 1968/ALL-KEYSTONE RACK 1—1/4X 1—1/4
BLUE /SUP —9793542—/
1 9794470 1968—70/ALL — SQUARE RACK /SUP 9 793334/
1 9794472 1969—70/ALL—T—TYPE
1 9794471 1969-70/ALL - KEYSTONE RACK
1 484803 1971/ALL—KEYSTONE RACK
1 545596 • 1972/ALL-KEYSTONE RACK/BLUE!
1 9794470 1972/ALL— SQUARE RACK
8.820 HANDLE. JACK
1 9775167 1967—70/ALL - ALSO USED AS WHEEL WRENCH
1 3987070 1971-72/ALL - AND WHEEL WRENCH
8.820 JACK ASSEMBLY, BUMPER
1 9793539 1967—68/ALL/5UP9793541/
1 484805 1969—71/ALL
1 486514 • 1972/ALL—INCL BASE

The jack posts in the 70 manual are different still:
479910
479908
479912

[Norwood]

Originally Posted by Formulajones

Wow, that's a nickname I haven't heard in years

I'm thinking I've had pics of some of them on here at one time or another, however issues with photobucket never leaves them up for long. .

I'm surprised that a smart guy like you can't post a picture. HMMMM....... Woody

[formula400]

here is 71 jack

[weranc55]

Originally Posted by formula400

here is 71 jack

You take that outta my 71?

[formula400]

this is from a GM parts catalog

[formula400]

Originally Posted by weranc55

You take that outta my 71?

the 70 I sold you? if you look at the first pic I posted with the two jacks, the light blue one is from the 70 I sold you....lmao

[weranc55]

Originally Posted by formula400

the 70 I sold you? if you look at the first pic I posted with the two jacks, the light blue one is from the 70 I sold you....lmao

Looks like you pulled the jack out of a swamp. Kinda like my 71 Ta.

[formula400]

Well, I could've been like some others and stripped all the good stuff off, then sold it back to you

[FunctionalShaker]

That catalog is from 4/81 so the numbers will have changed.

[68bird400HO]

Originally Posted by formula400

this is from a GM parts catalog

The jack in your picture does not look correct for a Firebird. What is the length and the date code? I have not seen a Pontiac jack with that extra metal hinged piece by the hook. Also, it looks to have the heavier mast than what is typical for A and F bodies.

I realize that the MPC says that the keystone style was the only one carried over to 1971, but, despite what it says is not the jack style that has been observed as correct for either plant for 1971. First, I don't want to speak in absolutes since we know this stuff goes, but, a number of years ago I put together a chart for the 1970-71 cars with build date, plant and jack style and jack date code. I looked at a few original cars and even called/emails cars for sale and on Ebay that were original owner, low mileage or look to have been untouched. I was seeing a consistent pattern of the keystone jack for 1970 Norwood, the iron "T" style for 1971 Norwood, and the square style for both 1970 and 1971 VN on data points for these cars where the jack date code made sense to the build date. All three of these styles are around 34"-35" long so they all fit the trunk brackets and are interchangeable (but note that in cars with the space saver spare, the brackets were set in different and the jack laid parallel to the rear seat back). Furthermore, I noticed that the A-bodies seemed to follow the same pattern but I did not really collect data on them. I did see a number of 1970-71 Fremont cars that had the same square mast jack. In fact, a few years ago I picked one up on my local craigslist that came out of a 1971 Fremont built Lemans and has a date code of C1. These square mast jacks are not exactly falling out of trees and are especially scarce this side of the Rockies.

Here is another thread where a member has a 1971 Fremont car with a C1 square mast jack. http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...highlight=jack