[njsteve]

I figure I would alert you guys here that I just listed my restored 1971-2 shaker unit in the Firebird Parts For Sale section

This was the functional 1971-1972 thick lipped, shaker that I restored as an extra when I was restoring the 1972 T/A a couple years ago in the never-ending thread. Go to pages 72-73 of my thread: http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...+rivet&page=72

It is listed for $850. Thanks, NJSteve nk15268@hotmail.com

Here is the link: http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...18#post5075218

[Mezzo]

Is it NOS?

[njsteve]

No. It is a properly restored original piece in much better condition than NOS....so the mounting studs are in the right spots unlike some NOS shaker units that were sold as over the counter parts by GM. Just do a search on NOS shaker in this site and you'll come across some of the threads.

It is paint ready. I didn't paint it because I knew if I painted it white, somebody would have needed it to be painted blue instead. :-)

[lfdsteve]

Just came from your link page. So it's really a 76 cloned into a 70-71 shaker correct?
Steve

[njsteve]

I dont mean to start an argument in semantics but no, it is not cloned onto a 70-72 shaker because it is the same part numbered component.

The fiberglass dome (from a 76 maybe? going by the decal) is the same part number top used from 71-76. The only difference between the fiberglass portion of the shaker tops from 71-76 was the insert that the factory glued into the opening: A flapper in 71 and 72 versus a rivet flange in 73-76. That is why it was used as a donor piece - it is the same correct fiberglass part. I still have the original, very busted up, 72 lid if the buyer wants that, free of charge, too. It has the exact same part number as the refurbushed one, in the exact same spot.

The metal base plates were, of course different ones used in 70-72 with the wing nut studs and 73-76 wth the mounting ring.

[Norwood]

Steve is CORRECT on this without question

[rexs73gto]

It's a 76 made to be a 71-2 shaker. Not an original 71-2 shaker repaired to be better then new. Just a 76 shaker repaired to work as a 71-2 shaker. It's a nice job but not an original.

[2manyT/A'S]

Originally Posted by njsteve

I dont mean to start an argument in semantics but no, it is not cloned onto a 70-72 shaker because it is the same part numbered component.

The fiberglass dome (from a 76 maybe? going by the decal) is the same part number top used from 71-76. The only difference between the fiberglass portion of the shaker tops from 71-76 was the insert that the factory glued into the opening: A flapper in 71 and 72 versus a rivet flange in 73-76. That is why it was used as a donor piece - it is the same correct fiberglass part. I still have the original, very busted up, 72 lid if the buyer wants that, free of charge, too. It has the exact same part number as the refurbushed one, in the exact same spot.

The metal base plates were, of course different ones used in 70-72 with the wing nut studs and 73-76 wth the mounting ring.

SHARK TANK?????

Why do we have to do this?

I like it......I'd be very happy with it on MY car.......

[njsteve]

Originally Posted by rexs73gto

It's a 76 made to be a 71-2 shaker. Not an original 71-2 shaker repaired to be better then new. Just a 76 shaker repaired to work as a 71-2 shaker. It's a nice job but not an original.

Really? If you were restoring your 73 GTO and used NOS "73 GTO" quarter panels that were stamped in 1976 wouldn't that fall into the same category? They have the same 1973 part number.

If this was an NOS fiberglass dome in a box from 1976 would it be different? No. It is the same part number piece. That is why people use them to restore the 71 and 72 shaker units. The unique-to-1971/2 portion is the metal base plate and the flapper door assembly, both of which are on this unit.

I have a near NOS 1973 Formula wheel that the original owner purchased in 1975 and is in its original box dated 1975. Does that make it a 1975 wheel, unacceptable for use on a 1973? I bet there's a lot of people out there that wouldn't mind that incorrect part on their car, judging from the emails I received on it.

I found an NOS Formula hood that I used on the black 455HO Formula that Bentwheelbob now owns. It was made in the late 1970s but had the same part number used from 71 to 75. I guess it was incorrect as well, under your same logic. Sorry Bob, but I need that hood back.

When I sell something, which is a very rare occasion in and of itself, I give full disclosure. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But don't give grief to people just for argument's sake.

[njsteve]

And in my continuing effort at full disclosure I added this to the Parts For Sale listing:

"In case anyone is confused by my above-referenced thread, this should help:

From 1971 to 1976, Barnum Fibre Co. Inc., produced the fiberglass dome portions of the shakers, regardless of whether they were the 71/72 style with the flapper door glued in place or the 73-76 style with the rivet plate and frame glued in place. They employed the same molding part number through the entire production run. There is no way to differentiate what year the dome came from since they were not date coded. The only unique-to-71/72 parts were the metal base and the flapper door assembly.

I used a 1976 fiberglass dome section to restore this 1971/2 shaker assembly. (And I am assuming it was 1976 and not 73,74 or 75 based solely on the "400" decal that was in place when I located it, since there are no date codes on these fiberglass domes).

Hope that is of some help, especially to anyone who may need to restore one of these themselves in the future."

[Judge273]

Man, the killjoys are trolling the forums these days.....Norwood has spoken and its a good one!

[lfdsteve]

I'm not trying to start a fight, just wanted clarification because I have 2 76's in my attic and if I can sell them for 850 each as 71's I'm all over it. BTW I have a great all original 71 formula 455 for sale. ( check my build page, I took a real nice base model and swapped over a 71 formula vin I got on Internet for 70 bucks)
Get it now?
Steve

[njsteve]

If you have the correct 1971-72 baseplate sections, flapper doors, and rivets, by all means go right ahead if you have the skill level to accomplish it. Make sure you post your progress on your thread so we all can critique your competency level and knowledge of part number interchangeability.

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Judge273

Man, the killjoys are trolling the forums these days.....Norwood has spoken and its a good one!

Ha, there are more killjoys on the PY forums than you might think. So much so I was warned before I even joined, telling me this place already has a reputation for that, lol.

However I've met a few really good people here as well.

If you guys can get real deal money for a "put together" piece, more power to ya.

[necdb3]

Can't we all just get along!!

Fellas, That's why they make vanilla and chocolate ice cream. Everyone has a different opinion on what flavor is the best.

If your not interested in it, then don't buy it.

[Norwood]

Some people here need to do a little research and learn a bit more about these cars and the parts that were used. I will post a bit more on this later. Steve is still 100% correct IMHO

[Formulajones]

Exactly necdb3.

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Norwood

Some people here need to do a little research and learn a bit more about these cars and the parts that were used. I will post a bit more on this later. Steve is still 100% correct IMHO

He is 100% correct in what he is explaining, however his original posts are misleading when stating "restored 71-72 shaker" and "Original" and that is where the confusion starts.

These statements lead most everyone to believe this is a born with real deal 71-72 shaker when in fact it's a well done clone or duplicate made from a housing with the same part number. That should be made more clear.

I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't done correctly or that it wouldn't make a nice addition to most any HO car.

I think it's more unfortunate that IFDSteve asked a legit question and people were quick to jump down his throat assuming the worst before knowing his true intentions, which were in fact simply to clearify that this can be done and look correct. This goes back to what I was saying in post #14, you don't have to look any further than this thread to see what I'm talking about.

[HO Kenny]

I would welcome that shaker to either of my 71 TA's if they needed them no matter what year the rivits, paint, or dome were made. One has 1/4 panel skins. I suppose it's no longer a 71 or even a TA. My 71 HO 455 formula will some day have 1/4 panels from an esprit. If I sell it, do I have to call it a clone?

[Bentwheelbob]

Steve,

Wow, that might look great on the Black Car. Would that be considered "correct" for a 1972 Formula? Maybe a custom paint job, jack it up a little...

If I promised to keep the body side moulding intact, would you offer me a repeat customer discount on the shaker? Maybe free shipping?

I'm sorry, this thread is getting a little too antagonistic. I think everyone is on edge after spending a long "holiday" with their better half and off-spring.