#1  
Old 05-11-2019, 07:28 PM
grd777 grd777 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto canada
Posts: 1,061
Default Help with a fuel pump

Looks like I have a oil leak near the fuel pump. I changed the gasket and tighten the bolt could be leaking from there or somewhere else . Seems odd it would leak oil from the fuel pump any help would be great

  #2  
Old 05-11-2019, 07:32 PM
Bentwheelbob's Avatar
Bentwheelbob Bentwheelbob is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 2,503
Default

What year is your car what engine does it have?

  #3  
Old 05-12-2019, 08:42 AM
grd777 grd777 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto canada
Posts: 1,061
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bentwheelbob View Post
What year is your car what engine does it have?
Sorry a 1975 t/a has a 1970 400 engine

  #4  
Old 05-12-2019, 05:42 PM
abefromen's Avatar
abefromen abefromen is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: a van down by the river
Posts: 1,688
Default

Supposed to be a special fiber/rubber coated flat washer under the bolt heads.

  #5  
Old 05-12-2019, 09:03 PM
grd777 grd777 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto canada
Posts: 1,061
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by abefromen View Post
Supposed to be a special fiber/rubber coated flat washer under the bolt heads.
do you mean the bolt heads for the fuel pump (both bolts )

  #6  
Old 05-12-2019, 10:27 PM
abefromen's Avatar
abefromen abefromen is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: a van down by the river
Posts: 1,688
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grd777 View Post
do you mean the bolt heads for the fuel pump (both bolts )
yep.....

  #7  
Old 05-12-2019, 10:41 PM
abefromen's Avatar
abefromen abefromen is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: a van down by the river
Posts: 1,688
Default

use these washers they are the same.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-Trans-...EAAOSwkCdcpw4J

  #8  
Old 05-13-2019, 01:26 AM
Aus78Formula Aus78Formula is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,389
Default

Haven't seen that before, specific to Pontiac engines? I guess it seals the bolt shaft hole once tightened, are they open threads into block inner?

  #9  
Old 05-13-2019, 05:52 AM
grd777 grd777 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto canada
Posts: 1,061
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by abefromen View Post
use these washers they are the same.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-Trans-...EAAOSwkCdcpw4J
should i use them on both bolts

  #10  
Old 05-13-2019, 08:41 AM
abefromen's Avatar
abefromen abefromen is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: a van down by the river
Posts: 1,688
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aus78Formula View Post
Haven't seen that before, specific to Pontiac engines? I guess it seals the bolt shaft hole once tightened, are they open threads into block inner?
Pontiac yes maybe others too.

yes they are open holes exposed to oil.

  #11  
Old 05-13-2019, 08:43 AM
abefromen's Avatar
abefromen abefromen is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: a van down by the river
Posts: 1,688
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grd777 View Post
should i use them on both bolts
yes unless you want it to still seep oil.

  #12  
Old 05-13-2019, 09:28 AM
1969GiPper 1969GiPper is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Saint Clair Shores, MI
Posts: 275
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aus78Formula View Post
Haven't seen that before, specific to Pontiac engines? I guess it seals the bolt shaft hole once tightened, are they open threads into block inner?
No. On a real Pontiac V8 engine the fuel pump bolts to the timing chain cover, not the block like a Chevy. Have seen cracks in the side of the aluminum timing cover just above the fuel pump that can leak oil and look like it’s the pump that’s leaking.

  #13  
Old 05-13-2019, 09:56 AM
abefromen's Avatar
abefromen abefromen is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: a van down by the river
Posts: 1,688
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1969GiPper View Post
No. On a real Pontiac V8 engine the fuel pump bolts to the timing chain cover, not the block like a Chevy.
Yes it mounts to the timing cover but the holes are not blind they are open and exposed to oil.

Why do you think special washers are used there? To stop oil seepage past the threads.

  #14  
Old 05-13-2019, 04:37 PM
grd777 grd777 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto canada
Posts: 1,061
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by abefromen View Post
Yes it mounts to the timing cover but the holes are not blind they are open and exposed to oil.

Why do you think special washers are used there? To stop oil seepage past the threads.
great info guys thanks

  #15  
Old 05-13-2019, 08:50 PM
Held for Ransom's Avatar
Held for Ransom Held for Ransom is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 8,934
Default

Only the inner bolt (closest to the block) goes into an area that might leak oil. If this was a problem, they would have redesigned it years before '70 (or '75).

__________________
So long, farewell.
  #16  
Old 05-13-2019, 09:27 PM
grd777 grd777 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto canada
Posts: 1,061
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Held for Ransom View Post
Only the inner bolt (closest to the block) goes into an area that might leak oil. If this was a problem, they would have redesigned it years before '70 (or '75).
would the oil leak come form somewhere else

  #17  
Old 05-13-2019, 09:38 PM
Held for Ransom's Avatar
Held for Ransom Held for Ransom is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Posts: 8,934
Default

How bad is it leaking? Was the surface area gouged? Was the '70 engine rebuilt? Could be leaking from the crank seal and slinging all around and winding up on the fuel pump.

__________________
So long, farewell.
  #18  
Old 05-13-2019, 09:42 PM
grd777 grd777 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto canada
Posts: 1,061
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Held for Ransom View Post
How bad is it leaking? Was the surface area gouged? Was the '70 engine rebuilt? Could be leaking from the crank seal and slinging all around and winding up on the fuel pump.
very little , when i touch the bolt i feel oil . i had all the gasket replaced

  #19  
Old 05-13-2019, 11:49 PM
unruhjonny's Avatar
unruhjonny unruhjonny is online now
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 6,260
Default

weird;
I have never seen anything special connecting the fuel pump to the timing cover;
If the oil at the back of the bolt was under excess pressure, I could maybe see it seeping along the threads... but this scenario just sounds funny.
But hey, I've been wrong before, and I did get my car (also my first car) the year it became a classic...

__________________
1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior
A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car.
Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left.


1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing)
2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs)
  #20  
Old 05-14-2019, 05:11 PM
grd777 grd777 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Toronto canada
Posts: 1,061
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by unruhjonny View Post
weird;
I have never seen anything special connecting the fuel pump to the timing cover;
If the oil at the back of the bolt was under excess pressure, I could maybe see it seeping along the threads... but this scenario just sounds funny.
But hey, I've been wrong before, and I did get my car (also my first car) the year it became a classic...
yes it does seem odd . for all the years i worked on fords never seen this happen . but i do think it is leaking from the bolt

Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:35 PM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017