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I'm north of you all!
I feel the pain! I actually found my car's 100% correct transmission in Spokane!! @ pvp44, I know that the inclination is to look south for parts, but with the exchange rate being what it is, you might want to look north; I know a guy here who can get almost anything, and I believe he goes down every month or so to pick up parts at the border (Coutts/Sweetgrass)… I also know another guy in the 'lower mainland' who is goo for getting stuff too. What you Americans get (and sometimes don't realize ho good you have it) is cheap shipping across the USA via UPS. I saw the post "Priest Lake Idaho", and though to myself, "sweet, I should see where that is!"... lol
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Thanks for sympathising, guys! I once threw out this hypothetical situation to a fellow early 2nd.Gen TA enthusiast: In 1975, a driver of a 1972 (or 71 for that matter) was involved in a traffic crash that caused front end damage. He wisely chose his GM Dealership to repair the car. The service manager concluded that it was more cost effective to replace the hood rather than have the bodymen repair it. He sourced the replacement hood from his parts department.
Did they install the "wrong" hood, or just a service replacement.I guess the problem I have is the word "wrong" being used for these parts.Can we just call them "service replacement". I am only trying to help fellow restorer entusiasts going through the same. |
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what you're asking, is a tiny bit different that what people in the investment side of the hobby are concerned about;
The service replacement hood would be the hood which was available through the parts network at the time. I'd wager that 98% of the people who would be incline to look at a car like this wouldn't car about the idiosyncrasies of original versus a later part - but once the car gets priced into "investment" territory, then it will get noticed. To answer your question, the correct hood was installed - which would have been a brand new "1975" (service replacement) hood. The price gap from a good driver collector car, to "investment" category car, can be observed by the level of detail that a car will go through when being done... and frankly it can be staggering. I'd wager that any person looking at, and contemplating spending north of $55k for an early TA, will be looking at the details of "original" (read: 100% authentic to the timeline from when the car was built) versus "correct". A really easy part that I can use to distinguish is an OEM carb, versus a service replacement carb - both are "correct", but the service replacement will be stamped different, and sometimes have different parts - even though functionally it is identical. Another easy to point out detail is a correct dash insert with a printed overlay versus a nice original or restored original unit. I hope that makes sense. You should look up the "new caretaker of the black car" thread - or several others where members here take nice driver cars, and bring them up to nearly stupid levels of correctness... not that it's a bad thing - even though I used the adjective "stupid", I find it down right impressive. I aspire to build my car with correct/original parts...
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Point taken Jonny, good info. Park Place realizes the car will probably not bring all of the asking price, but hopefully we are still in the ballpark pricing wise.
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Ok, not finding your '72 in Park Places inventory today. Does that mean it has sold already? Would have liked to have a look too.
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BTW, on the white '70, I am impressed with the front spoiler and flairs fit! I've never been able to get mine that spot on regardless of the amount of time spent.
The chrome rear sway bar really got me. How does the plating stay on a part that will be flexing a bit? Seems like it'd crack and fall right off. Also, 3.08 gears in a 4 speed w/o A/C? Don't think that was an available combo. |
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Don't let my comment about the fenders discourage you even slightly. We need more Pontiac muscle on the streets around here. Chad
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1966 Ford F250 Deluxe Camper Special Ranger Custom Paint - San Jose plant http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...al-ranger.html 1966 Ford F250 4x4 Red/White 4-speed - San Jose plant 1966 Ford F250 4x4 White 4-speed - San Jose plant http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/11...-f250-4x4.html 1971 Trans Am White/Blue 4-speed limited options - Norwood plant http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=757496 |
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.. I just looked it up;
That is beautiful country down there; When I drive to my cousin's in Portland, which used to be at least once a year, we enter the 'states via the Kingsgate/Eastport crossing and follow #95 to Coeur d'Alene before heading west, then south...
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Rick, I just contacted Park Place and there appears to be a glitch on their website, my link to the ad was broken also. They have the car on E-Bay on a fixed price listing if you want to check it out there. Pete
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I like this shot Formulabruce...80mph & only turning 2200. I need less cam and a taller gear.
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this is how you do it. Last edited by JUDGE3; 12-20-2023 at 11:03 AM. |
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No expert here. I read through all the what about this and what about that. I agree it isn't quite investment quality, but it's nice. Like someone said, somebody will love it and not give a hoot about the correctness.
I did notice one thing I've never even heard of...."Grease Fittings" on the front sway bar bushing straps. Is that correct? Was it '70 only? I never saw that on my '71. Just a solid strap.
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Ol' man Smith Pigeon Forge, Tn. Grand Rod Run Spring 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUIuGvWWthA http://s223.photobucket.com/user/fas...d%20Run%202012 Son video'd this... http://s223.photobucket.com/user/fas...a.mp4.html?o=0 |
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Stage 3 .. 200-4R .67 OD and 3.42 Gears |
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Aaaaah, the old O.D. trick, Cool. I'm assuming the stage III treatment makes it stout enough to survive a big Pontiac motor while calling on it through the first 3 gears. Nice set up. So, you can have it all!
Sorry for being off topic, just liked what I saw.
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Ol' man Smith Pigeon Forge, Tn. Grand Rod Run Spring 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUIuGvWWthA http://s223.photobucket.com/user/fas...d%20Run%202012 Son video'd this... http://s223.photobucket.com/user/fas...a.mp4.html?o=0 |
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"Those poor souls have made the fatal mistake of surrounding us. Now we can fire in any direction" 1970 Trans Am RAIII 4 speed 1971 Trans Am 5.3 LM7 1977 Trans Am W72 Y82 1987 Grand National |
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Is there a working link?
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I've pulled apart a number of '70s, and never seen a car with grease fittings anywhere on the sway bar... , but there were lots of production oddities with these cars.
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