[Scott Stoneburg]

I am going to buy another oil pans for the new engine in building. I am currently using the Canton Pan 15-400 (6.5 qts capacity)with the drivers side kick out and a slosh baffle. But I'm looking at the 15-452 (6 qts capacity)pan with out the kick out but has trap doors to control the oil. Which would be a better option for street and strip operation?

[73 TRANSAM]

I like the one with the trap door myself, It will be good controlling the oil for spirited driving.

[Mike Davis]

I am using the 15-452. I like this pan as it fits the stock chassis. I have not had any issues with mine. Just make sure you take it apart when you get it and clean it. Mine had a few pieces of welding slag in the bottom that was loose.

[Scott Stoneburg]

I am leaning towards the 15-452 because the kick out on the 14-400 causes me to clock the starter to clear the pan. I plan on larger tube headers with the 535. If I could clock the starter closer to the pan it will make more clearance for the headers. I guess the 1/2 qt less oil volume isn't a huge deal

[Steve C.]

Keep in mind when Canton states the "Pan Features 6 qt System Capacity" they mean the pan hold 5 quarts and allows for one quart of oil for a filter. That said, most common oil filters used for Pontiac do not hold one quart of oil.

( side topic, and worthy of note, how much oil is up inside a running engine at speed )

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[Scott Stoneburg]

Canton lists 14-500 pan as 6.5 qts. I run 7 qts with filter included. I run a HP 1 filter.

[Skip Fix]

The 15-452 has got decent baffles and a decent depth. Deeper than the second gen F body pan so I had one extended forward the same length as the F body pan to get a little more capacity.

[Steve C.]

To add to the conversation as a fwiw, the HP-1 filter is listed as 5.75" long and 3.672" outside diameter. I run the WIX 51060R filter remote mounted and it is listed as 5.178" long and 3.66" outside diameter. I've filled it, let it settle, repeated it, then topped it off and it holds slightly less than 3/4 quart oil. My lines to and from the remote filter mount hold another 1/4 quart of oil. At speed the IA2 block might have 1 quart of oil up inside it, then there is the oil up in the cylinder heads.


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[Steve C.]

Regarding the oil up inside a IA2 block. Skip's commented when he dry prelubed his block it took at least 1 qt before he was getting any pressure to the rocker arms. And that was with a full filter.


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[Scott Stoneburg]

So that's a qt in the filter / lines, assuming another qt in the heads and top end? That leaves between 4 and 5 qts in the pan. Or do you feel the top of the motor will consistently hold more oil than that?

[BB70]

I have a hydraulic tank fluid level indicator on my pan and at idle 1200 rpm's the level has dropped 2 qts. Sorry about the sideways picture.

[firechickenman]

I run the 15-452. I run 7 qts (total) in it and that puts the oil level at 1 qt low on the OE dipstick. I've been tempted to drop that to 6.5 or even 6 to see if it makes any more power. I do like a little extra oil since I don't run any to end restriction.

[Steve C.]

Scott, Honestly I cannot say for fact how much oil is up inside a block. For the most part much of this is meant to generate conversation on the subject.

Years ago I posted a related comment from a very respected source involving a higher rpm race application, he stated "going down the track with 8 qts total you only have 4 in the pan". His larger 8 qt total oil capacity was due to the addition of a remote oil oil filter.

From a magazine article....

How much oil do you need. Put the oil pan on the assempled motor, start with zero oil with an empty filter. Start spinning the pump drive and keep adding oil untill you have a constant oil pressure. That is the bare minimum amount of oil. On some engines it could take 3-plus qts, 4 to be safe. And remember this is with no motion, wheel stands or braking hard on the big end.

Then to add fuel to the fire there is the topic of how much oil is trapped up in Edelbrock cylinder heads....

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[Vince GTO]

Originally Posted by firechickenman

I run the 15-452. I run 7 qts (total) in it and that puts the oil level at 1 qt low on the OE dipstick. I've been tempted to drop that to 6.5 or even 6 to see if it makes any more power. I do like a little extra oil since I don't run any to end restriction.

Same here 7qt 15-452 no issues yet!

[Mike Davis]

Originally Posted by Vince GTO

Same here 7qt 15-452 no issues yet!

I run 6.5 qts in the 15-452 and use the K&P filter that probably holds about 1/2 qt.
Any less than 6qts my oil pressure is low when I cross the line. Above 6 no issues.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Scott Stoneburg

I am going to buy another oil pans for the new engine in building. I am currently using the Canton Pan 15-400 (6.5 qts capacity)with the drivers side kick out and a slosh baffle. But I'm looking at the 15-452 (6 qts capacity)pan with out the kick out but has trap doors to control the oil. Which would be a better option for street and strip operation?

Are you going to make your own pickup for this pan like your last engine ?

I have a 7qt Canton pan that is unlike any of the pans on their website. Its tapered out on both sides on the sump. Maybe its not offered anymore ?

[Scott Stoneburg]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Are you going to make your own pickup for this pan like your last engine ?

I have a 7qt Canton pan that is unlike any of the pans on their website. Its tapered out on both sides on the sump. Maybe its not offered anymore ?

The pick up I made will be for my 535 build. I used the depth of the Canton pan 14-452 as my guide when making the pick up. Both the pans I am looking at are the same depth so either pan will work.

[Mean Green]

How are you guys sealing up the Canton 15-452?

Specifically, the way the windage tray is sandwiched between the oil pan and the block.

[Scott Stoneburg]

I don't run a bondage tray on my current 474. Just a crank scraper

[BB70]

Originally Posted by Mean Green

How are you guys sealing up the Canton 15-452?

Specifically, the way the windage tray is sandwiched between the oil pan and the block.

I use the good black permatex engine rtv between the block and tray or scraper. Beforehand wipe both surfaces with brake clean on a paper towel. Use a small bead , go to the inside of the bolt holes when you come to them.
Lay the tray down and lightly tighten all the bolts- let it dry overnight. Trim off the dry rtv that sqeezes out on the pan rail from under the tray. Put a small dab at the edges of the tray- block before the pan gasket goes on to fill the small voids