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Well, I suppose the big news today is that Adam Strang ran a 10.376, in his '68 Bird, running in the D/S class. That's more than a sec under the 11.50 index. Don't know if that's the car's best ET, in D/S, or not.

Anyhow, it was quick enuff to win the Stick Combo class, at the Baby Gators race. For any who may not know, that class is for all the stick cars that were the only car in their class. There were 6 of these stick cars total. He had to run a Pinto wagon, in the final, & give it about a 5 sec head start. I think he was going about 128mph when he passed it. The Pinto probably felt the turbulence.

By the way, I may have posted this. Can't remember & not gonna search for it. It's worth mentioning again.

Found this class winners/RU list from the '79 US Nats. Quite a few famous Pontiac names from the past, on the list. Truman Fields in B/S. Mike McKinney in E/S. Rock Running in E/SA, Ray Stover in F/SA, & Mick Leiferman in H/SA. There were also Pontiacs on the list, in L/S, N/S, & N/SA.

There were also 2 Pontiac SS cars on the list. I'll post 'em here, rather than making a special post on the SS thread. They was John Clegg in SS/I, & Bob Michael, in SS/IA. Both were SD455 powered.
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Got a couple of more pics. The 1st 2 are said to be of a '77 Bird, which was raced by Tibor Kadar. He did real good with it. I think he was Stock RU in div 7, in 2006. It was sold in 2015. Not sure who the next owner was. There have been quite a few white '77-'78 Bird Stockers.

The 3rd pic is of a car that was supposedly a HPP mag "Project" car. I think it was owned by Mark Yacavone, at the time. Not sure.

These are said to be some of the car's accomplishments.

"...1994-1998... Four class wins, two r/u's, two National Records, one Divisional runner-up.
Won two BOP or Pontiac races..."

So, for you guys who have the HPP mags from that time period, would you please dig out the copy, or copies, which talk about that car. Would like to have ALL the details available, about the car. Thanks !

By the way, if anybody has any personal knowledge about the car, please post.
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Pro Drivers weren't the only racers driving fast Pontiacs at English-town. In Stock Eliminator qualifying, Carol Yacavone's '78 Firebird, sponsored by High Performance Pontiac magazine, led the Pontiacs in qualifying with her impressive No. 8 spot on the ladder. She piloted the Firebird to a notable 11.90-second run and then went on to win the L/SA class with a 12.08 over the '84 Olds Cutlass of Rob Hudlow, who ran 12.21. Other Pontiacs that qualified well were Dave Ribeiro in his '78 Firebird and Wendy Caliendo in her '97 LT1-powered Firebird.
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Just happen to think. DRC has records from 1998. And, the HPP mag car had a div 2 number on it.

So, I looked up some race results from 1998, in the East & Southeast.

Sure enuff, the car shows up on the Gator Nats list. The driver is listed as Carol Yacavone. I assume that is Mark's wife, or daughter. Don't know. I'll try to find out.

The car was #20 on the Q-list @ 1 sec under the index.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

Shows up on the list @ Englishtown. Was #8, followed by another '78 Bird, with Dave Ribeiro driving.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

What I thought was really cool was that Pontiac power swept L/SA, M/SA, N/SA, O/SA, & P/SA !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At Indy, the '78 Birds were driven by Bob Michael & Don Holmes.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

Bob won his M/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At Reading, Paul Dilcher was driving a '78 Bird, @ #6. Dave Ribeiro was now claiming a '77 Bird. Other than grills, I don't think you have to make many
changes, in order to legally switch from a '77 to a '78. Besides a possible better hp factor, claiming a '77 allows you the option to run a 350 Pontiac engine.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

Anyhow, there have been lots of '77-'78 Birds running Stock, thru the years. Several of 'em changed hands a few times. I'm not aware of all the different owners of each. So, some of 'em I mention, are probably the same Bird that was driven by someone else, earlier in it's life. On this HPP mag car, I don't know where it wound up, or who all raced it.

Would sure love to read everything that is said about the car, in those mags. Or, at least have someone who has the mags to post the details for us.

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Maybe you should just join Class Racer forum and you can ask Mark. He seems to have a good knowledge of old Pontiac race cars.

https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...t=74965&page=5

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Just went to the Clegg's Mission Garage site & discovered these videos of their '74 SD 455 H/SA T/A.

The 1st one is a test & tune. The current driver is Devon Dioguardi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

The next one is from the recent div 4 race at Tulsa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

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Under certain conditions, it will be determined that there are "mineshaft" conditions, at a race. When this happens, the NHRA hp factor police will not use the qualifying times, in order to add hp to the quick cars.

There are several guys here who know all about this. But, here's what is said to be a quote from the rule book, which describes what constitutes mineshaft conditions.

"To decrease the potential for horsepower/index adjustments when favorable atmospheric (i.e. “mineshaft”) and/or track conditions may have contributed to extraordinary performance the NHRA has developed a system to protect the racers’ horsepower/indexes. If at the conclusion of qualifying the first competitor in the bottom half of the field is -.850 seconds or faster under the class index."

Note: This is just something I found on the Class Racer forum & copied. I can't vouch for how accurate the info is. The complete mineshaft details may include more than is mentioned in this post.


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Some videos were posted in the Stock/SS section, on the Class Racer forum. They feature mostly Ford, Mopar & Chevy. BUT, I'm glad I scanned 'em. There are some Pontiac Stockers, which I don't think I've seen in action.

This 1st one is from the Spring Vegas race, in 2002. The 1st pair of cars on it includes the Mulry/Aceves '74 Formula, with Bob Mulry driving. As I've mentioned, this car was a record holder in 3 different classes. It was #1 qualifier at lots of races, & ran more than 1.5 sec under, at several races.

At about the 7:35 point, there is a black '67 Bird. It was driven by Rod Keeney. IIRC, this is the same car that Randi Lyn Shipp has been driving, for several years now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d24NRIQkjCI&t=34s

This 2nd video is from that same race. @ about the 2:55 point is Larry Maxwell driving his '72 Formy. @ about the 3:57 point is Rod Keeney's '67 Bird again. @ about 14:06 is Larry Maxwell again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuKhd0bVU2Q

Here's the Stock Q-list from that race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

This 3rd video is from the 2003 Summit Nats. @ the 1:56 point is Rod Keeney again.

@ the 9:41 point is John Schloe driving his '69 Bird. As far as I know, it's the only '69 Bird Stocker still active, today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOt-ISHRWFs&t=687s

Here's the DRC Q-list from that race. There were several Pontiacs on the list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

Here's one from the 2001 Summit Nats. @ the 10:34 point is Scott Burton blasting off, in his early 2nd gen Bird. He ran this car as several different year models. The last, of course, was a 1970, which became the quickest Pontiac powered Stocker, ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogyu5IFd3JQ

@ this race he was running it as a '72 model, in F/SA. That would have been a 455HO engine. This is the combo that Brad Burton would later run, very successfully.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

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Here's a recent pic of Norman Warling's '62 Cat Stocker. It was running a 421SD engine. It's been a long time since a 421SD powered Stocker made a pass, in regular Stock Eliminator competition.

The Cat is parked beside Carroll Warling's '74 GTO Super Stocker.
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"...@ this race he was running it as a '72 model, in F/SA. That would have been a 455HO engine. This is the combo that Brad Burton would later run, very successfully.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop..."

As ya'll can see, I made a booboo. I posted the 2003 Q-list.

Here's the 2001 list. At that race, Scott was running his Bird as a '73, in G/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

He tried several different combinations with the '70-'73 Birds. They all ran pretty strong.

Also noticed that the video links worked, but the DRC links didn't.

Here's the link to the DRC 2002 race Q-list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

And here's the 2003 race list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

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Here's a recent pic of Norman Warling's '62 Cat Stocker. It was running a 421SD engine. It's been a long time since a 421SD powered Stocker made a pass, in regular Stock Eliminator competition.

The Cat is parked beside Carroll Warling's '74 GTO Super Stocker.
If any of you ever get a chance to look at this car you wont be disappointed
one of the coolist Pontiac stockers every built !!!!!!

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If any of you ever get a chance to look at this car you wont be disappointed
one of the coolist Pontiac stockers every built !!!!!!
The only similar Stocker I can think of is Bob Michael's '62 GP. They WERE running the same 389 Tri-Power engine. Bob Michael & The Warling bros are long time Pontiac racers, in both Stock & SS.
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This was posted on the Craigslist thread. Looks like a possible potential competitive Stocker. Could run the small cam 400, @ the 260hp NHRA factor. Since it will likely disappear from Craigslist soon, I'll say that it is a '77 Lemans wagon, which looks to be restorable.

https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/...381160289.html

There have been lots of '77 Birds run good with this engine. Also some '77 Lemans, GP, & even Catalina Stockers have run good with it. Everything except the Birds run at 260hp.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...4&MAKE=Pontiac

Gary Riley proved that you can still win a big race with a Pontiac wagon, when he won the '19 Mile-High Nats, in an All-Pontiac final !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

This also reminds me of the Tons-a-Fun '72 Lemans wagon. Charlene Wood won the Grand Nationals, Canadian nat event, as well as some smaller races in the states. I think she also set nat records with it & got several nat event class wins. They had 2 different wagons, one with a reg Lemans front, and one with the T-41 front. They also ran both a 455HO engine & a D-port 455. You can read their story in the 2nd part of this article.

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I may have already visited this subject. But, I'm not gonna go back & look for it.

I'm just exploring the possible Pontiac 350 & larger cube 2-barrel Roch combinations that MIGHT make an NHRA Stocker combo that would be able to run it's index or slightly quicker, without putting mega bucks into it.

This 1st possibility is a '73-'74 350. The NHRA hp factor is 210hp.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...1&MAKE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...3&MAKE=Pontiac

2nd possibility is a '73-'74 400 - 255hp factor

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...2&MAKE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...6&MAKE=Pontiac

So, I realize that at the current '77 base 400 engine hp factor, it is a MUCH more competitive combo. And there are other Q-jet combos that are better.

BUT, for this discussion, I want to consider & compare ONLY '67 & newer 350 & larger Pontiac engines, with a 2-barrel carb.

It appears to me that the '73 & '74 350 2-barrel specs & the '73 & '74 400 2-barrel specs are the same for both years.

The advantages the 400's have, over the 350's are:

(1) 50 cubic inches

(2) A larger carb. venturi size - 1.25 for the 400 vs 1.186 for the 350. A Chevy Stock racer said he compared the 2 carb sizes on 2 different 350 sbc powered Stockers. The larger carb was exactly 1/10 quicker.

Advantage for the 350 is:

(1) Lower NHRA hp factor. 210 vs 255. So, will the 400 make 45 more hp than the 350 ?

(2) Runs a lower class, which means it can run much slower than a 400 powered car & still run it's index.

If I'm reading the Class Racer Info correctly, looks like the 350 can run from the 15/lbs/hp class, down to the 19lbs/hp class, without running a wagon.

The 400 can run from the 13.50lbs/hp class, down to the 16lbs/hp class, without using a wagon or big car body.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/NHRA_Classes.aspx

Looks like a 350 will need to run high 13's & the 400 low 13's, depending, of course, on the exact class it runs. Is this possible with a legal Roch 2-barrel ?

There are quite a few sbc racers running a 2-barrel. But I don't know of a single Pontiac Stocker that has run a 2-barrel, in recent history.

Anybody here done any drag strip testing of Roch 2-barrel carbs ?

I ran one on a dirt tracker, but never on a drag car.

Obviously, the 2-barrel engines will require the correct cam. converter, & rear gears, to get the most out of 'em. But then, that's required for the Q-jet combo's, also.


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Today I saw this list of '69 Indy class winners.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...&postcount=101

Among them is the H/SA winner, Jack Briner. Found a couple of pics of the car. It was a '65 2+2, named "Movin On".

On that winners list were also Ray McClelland in D/SA & John Thropp in I/SA.

The D/D winner was also listed as being Pontiac powered, driven by Don Ringer. Don't have a clue about that car. Anybody here know about it ? I'd assume a D/D would be a small cubic inch front engine dragster, in '69.
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Well, I've just ran across pics of a couple of more nat event class winners. So, I'll have to include them in this thread.

One is a '62 Pontiac, raced by Fred Davisson. It got the D/S class win @ the '69 Winter Nats.

Another was a '69 Judge, driven by Bill Bunker, sponsored by Colonial Pontiac, named "Colonial Banshee". It was the D/SA winner @ Indy '69(maybe).

Note: These are results that have been published on the Class Racer Site. Errors have been found. I can't guarantee what car actually won any class at any race.

It ain't a Stocker, but I also found more info about the Pontiac powered D/D I mentioned. It was powered by 2 Trophy 4 engines, in line. For anyone who doesn't know, the Trophy 4 engine was known as "Half a 389".
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Another Stocker I recently discovered is the Warren Bros '66 GTO. Milt Schornack asked them to join the Royal Pontiac race team.

They kept the car name, "Catnip", & kept the "Warren Bros" lettering, but put Royal Pontiac lettering over the doors.

Haven't been able to find any performance info or racing accomplishments for the car. Assuming they ran pretty good, or Royal wouldn't have recruited them.

The 3rd pic shows the car in the staging lanes, in what appears to be the C/S class run-offs. Assuming it may be @ Indy, but don't know. Would love to know how many C/S Goats were in the lanes, that day.

I've read that back in the old days you had to win class, before you could run in the elims. This was probably in effect at most all the big nat events. Don't know about the small local tracks.
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Haven't seen much info about any '66 GTO Stocker, after '66.

I think the quick ones were running low 12's. Wondering what was the quickest ET a legal NHRA '66 GTO Stocker ever ran, when it happened, who owned it, & who was driving it ? Anybody have any answers ?

Also wondering when was the last time a serious '66 GTO Stocker competed in an NHRA national event ? I'm not aware of any after the '60's.

Maybe all the serious Pontiac Stock racers switched over to more competitive, 400 powered '67-'69 model Pontiac combos. Better heads, Q-jet carbs, & TH400 trans, probably put the Tri-Power Goats out to pasture, as far as competitive NHRA Stocker competition.

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Wonder what the 389 tri-power is factored for in 66" versus the 67' 400 in GTO's?

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Wonder what the 389 tri-power is factored for in 66" versus the 67' 400 in GTO's?
I haven't found any source for that type of info.

If anybody knows of a reliable source, please post that info !

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The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




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