[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Engine is the basic specs I gave you awhile back but different cam. .440 lobe, .264.274, 112.
Only thing I know about the dyno program is it is the 800$ version and you are supposed to be a engine builder to get it.
Since I bracket race the 1150 carb is not needed vs the 1050. I should dip into the 9s as is.
Since I am a Native Tribal member they are giving us 1250$ for Covid relief. I could buy the carb but a 650,750, 850, 1050 and 1400 is enough. Need to thin out my carb and intake collection as it is. I sold my NW intake but want another one, I might have a intake fetish/problem. Is there a 12 step program LOL ?

BTW, my carb guy at Performance Cab tells me wet flow on a 1050 is 1121 cfm and a 1150 has 1176cfm wet flow so its not as big a difference as you think. Its one of ghe reasons he tells me the 1050 will ET better with a heavy car vs a little more power on the dyno with 1150. Smaller bores, more velocity get the pig moving.

I have tried a number of times to get you to tell me who has this program or what this program is called so I can get a better idea of what is being used. For the past few years David has give to the people who attend his seminars his TMC (Torque Master Cams) Program which he also does sell. I did the computer programming of TMC (Torque Master Cams) for David.

Stan

[scott70]

Years ago I bought a brand new standard 2 circuit 1050 dominator from summit and did basic tuning on it for best ETs. Couple of years later I bought a pro systems new from them set up for my combo. Ran exact same numbers at the track. Tried tuning it but it didnt make any difference. The only difference was the PS carb idled a little cleaner/smoother.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

I have tried a number of times to get you to tell me who has this program or what this program is called so I can get a better idea of what is being used. For the past few years David has give to the people who attend his seminars his TMC (Torque Master Cams) Program which he also does sell. I did the computer programming of TMC (Torque Master Cams) for David.

Stan

Stan, it does not really matter to me what the program is called. Only thing I care about is the cam recommendation and the estimated horsepower. And that my friend took the time out of his day to do all the inputs. This cam will work with my converter, tires and gears as it. Get it all done under 6700RPM.
If I can make the 720 or so horsepower in a 6500RPM 461 I think it will be an accomplishment. Getting it done on pump gas, no high RPM and without having a bunch of head work with all the expensive offset rockers and lifters would be something.

[Chief of the 60's]

All I do know is, tell Patrick exactly what your engine's specs are, what tranny, what gear and full weight and he will build you the carb you NEED. Tell Patrick what you WANT and you'll get what you get. Most everybody I know or have talked to said that they bolted their Pro-System carb on and the only thing they needed to do was adjust the idle.

I bolted my Pro-System carb on, adjusted the idle, made several passes, pulled out the NGK's and not only did they look good..... They were perfect! Can't thank Patrick enough as it would have taken me 1/2 the season of jerking around to achieve the same results.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Stan, it does not really matter to me what the program is called. Only thing I care about is the cam recommendation and the estimated horsepower. And that my friend took the time out of his day to do all the inputs. This cam will work with my converter, tires and gears as it. Get it all done under 6700RPM.
If I can make the 720 or so horsepower in a 6500RPM 461 I think it will be an accomplishment. Getting it done on pump gas, no high RPM and without having a bunch of head work with all the expensive offset rockers and lifters would be something.

Yes it clearly matters to me as the released version TMC which is David's present software only works for SBC and SBF. There is a beta version which has Pontiac and to the best of my knowledge only 4 people in the world have a copy of it.

Stan

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

TMC which is David's present software only works for SBC and SBF.

I was going to say the same thing about TM. I've heard of Vizard's Cos-Cam and Cam Master, to my knowledge they were never available for purchase.

An image capture of this mystery program would be very interesting..

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Yes it clearly matters to me as the released version TMC which is David's present software only works for SBC and SBF. There is a beta version which has Pontiac and to the best of my knowledge only 4 people in the world have a copy of it.

Stan

Why would it matter to you ? Its a program my friend paid 800$ for and you can get updates for 150$. So once you buy it for 800$ you have the ability to keep it the latest and greatest down the line if you chose.
Is "your" software out of date or something ? Only thing that matters is my buddy has it and was able to talk Vizard into letting him purchase it. Not anyone can buy it.
I am not going to pry and ask for screen shots or anything like it. Just happy he is kind enough to let me use it.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Why would it matter to you ? Its a program my friend paid 800$ for and you can get updates for 150$. So once you buy it for 800$ you have the ability to keep it the latest and greatest down the line if you chose.
Is "your" software out of date or something ? Only thing that matters is my buddy has it and was able to talk Vizard into letting him purchase it. Not anyone can buy it.
I am not going to pry and ask for screen shots or anything like it. Just happy he is kind enough to let me use it.

My point is I don't know what software you are talking about. I got to David at a bad time today. He and his wife were traveling in their car. I will see if I can talk to him tomorrow and found out what this program is. The only name of someone you have talked about that I know and who might have some of David's software would be Mike L.

Stan

[Scott Stoneburg]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

My point is I don't know what software you are talking about. I got to David at a bad time today. He and his wife were traveling in their car. I will see if I can talk to him tomorrow and found out what this program is. The only name of someone you have talked about that I know and who might have some of David's software would be Mike L.

Stan

Sorry to jump in here, but why is this important? And im not defending anyone I just dont see the relevance of what program he is or is not using. Thanks.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

I hear he is a fan from a good source. Its my understanding the high end Pontiac cabs have extra fuel in the mid range. I have a Dale Cubic 1400cfm carb and talked to Dale about it. He also told me Pontiacs take a higher cfm carb due to their long strokes. Lot of "suck" to them.
I am dealing with Performance Carb and they tell me a 1050 will run better, ET better than a 1150 Vizards program tells me to run. I am sending my 1050 with their billet metering plates that turn a 3 circuit into a 2 circuit back to get calibrated and their annular billet boosters installed with double the holes the Holley ones have. Cost about 375$ to have it done. And they told me they can make sure their is extra fuel in the mid range. Will take calls at the dyno/track for tuning advice.
I hear the billet head/block Visner guys are Pontiac fellows too. Its why they make the parts. Have to love the brand, not much demand for a Pontiac billet block. Make a lot more money building parts for other brands.

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

So what are your specs and which formula or program of David's (Vizard) are you using? If I had that information earlier this morning, I could have ask David when I was talking with him.

Stan

Scott,
Just finding to find out what he used. As I would ask David Vizard about it.

Stan

[Scott Stoneburg]

Ok. Just wondering. I didnt see what difference it made. Whats the point of calling Dave V? To prove his formulas wrong or to check to see if Dragn is actually using them?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Scott Stoneburg

Ok. Just wondering. I didnt see what difference it made. Whats the point of calling Dave V? To prove his formulas wrong or to check to see if Dragn is actually using them?

Scott,
Why would I think David's formula is wrong? How would David even know who Dragncar is? I wanted to talk to David to see if he ever had software that does what Dragncar says he is doing or maybe the software Dragncar is using was not done by David.

If you call Comp Cams give them your specs and they recommend a cam and then you call Lunati give them your specs and they recommend a cam. The 2 cams are not the same. Who is wrong, who is right? Just like with the carb recommendations you would need to dyno or race them to know.

Stan

[Scott Stoneburg]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Scott,
Why would I think David's formula is wrong? How would David even know who Dragncar is? I wanted to talk to David to see if he ever had software that does what Dragncar says he is doing or maybe the software Dragncar is using was not done by David.

If you call Comp Cams give them your specs and they recommend a cam and then you call Lunati give them your specs and they recommend a cam. The 2 cams are not the same. Who is wrong, who is right? Just like with the carb recommendations you would need to dyno or race them to know.

Stan

Dont know how David would know Dragn. But he names drops all the time.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Scott Stoneburg

Dont know how David would know Dragn. But he names drops all the time.

Lol.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Scott,
Why would I think David's formula is wrong? How would David even know who Dragncar is? I wanted to talk to David to see if he ever had software that does what Dragncar says he is doing or maybe the software Dragncar is using was not done by David.

If you call Comp Cams give them your specs and they recommend a cam and then you call Lunati give them your specs and they recommend a cam. The 2 cams are not the same. Who is wrong, who is right? Just like with the carb recommendations you would need to dyno or race them to know.

Stan

Get you panties un bunched Stan. This is a thread about Pro Systems. You are fishing and I will not let you dig. Its your problem, not mine.
Don't know David V, know someone who knows him and thats it. Not giving it up either.

[Stan Weiss]

Actually because of your posting history I am just doing some fact checking.

Stan

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Actually because of your posting history I am just doing some fact checking.

Stan

I think you are just mad that you do not have the latest and greatest software and do not know how to handle it. Like it must be some sort of mistake if Stan Weiss does not have the best dyno simulator.
You are making a federal case about me having a friend punch in my numbers with a 1050 then a 1150. Big deal, get a life.
I just thought it was interesting that one guy says 1050 will ET better but a 1150 will make more power.
Just keyboard racing man. The real racing will start when I get off my lazy @ss and put this thing together. Working six 10 hour days right now so I have to force myself.

[pastry_chef]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

mad that you do not have the latest and greatest software.

LMAO.. Stan is developing the newest for Vizard.

[Chief of the 60's]

[Steve C.]

During the early 90’s David Vizard's Cam Master program was conceived and began to take shape. David and Denny Wyckoff at Motor Machine & Supply in Tucson developed the program, a comprehensive computer program that offered precise cam selection. It was a empirical program based on over 50,000 individual engine dyno pulls on various engine combinations. Written up in National Dragster and other magazines. Cam Master was not duration-driven but overlap-driven. The event timing of the cam, dictated by the duration of the intake and exhaust, together with the Lobe Center Angle (David used that term for lobe separation angle) and the advance/retard position in the engine. Once the overlap to suit a given application is decided, everything else falls into place. It was Denny Wyckoff that ran the program for the public thru his shop. Since then David has brought out different programs.


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