[Scott Thelander]

Well wandering around the racer swap meet at
Seattle raceways yesterday
I stumbled on 1 of my 2 purchases

Any idea why this wasn’t stamped??

Thanks
Scott

[JSuchma]

I don't know the reason for never being stamped; I have owned about 3 over the years just like it.

[Scott Thelander]

Seems to be a 7028264. In cognito

[Kenth]

Looks "remanufactured". No idle bypass air, added vacuum tube passenger side on throttle plate, slotted screws to hold throttle plate, brass idle needle screws.
May have started its life as a 1967 SR unit.

[OG68]

Agree that it's remanufactured, but there are a few things about the throttle plate.
68 throttle plates have the added vacuum tube for the thermostatic vacuum switch, and they also have three mounting screws.

The manufactured date is usually stamped on the left side of the throttle plate just forward of Scott's picture.

Did late 67 engines use the same vacuum set up as the 68s? I thought I read somewhere that they had something similar. If this was a 67 SR that would explain the throttle plate vacuum tube.

Or did someone (rebuilder) cobble up a throttle body to work on a 68 engine?

[Scott Thelander]

A couple more pics
Thanks for the input
I’m feeling all 68 except the long
Fuel line nut.

[unruhjonny]

for a while the SR fuel bowls were not stamped.

I have seen a couple;
I have one right now which was stamped (probably by a dealers tech) for the application it was used for.

According to my information that is a 1968 Pontiac fuel bowl.

[unruhjonny]

that throttle body casting number was used for 1969 & 1970 Pontiac Quadrajets.

[Shiny]

Originally Posted by unruhjonny

that throttle body casting number was used for 1969 & 1970 Pontiac Quadrajets.

Do you have a list of casting numbers used on Qjets?

I searched for this info online a few times but gave up. There are Delco docs online with PNs for each carb application, but these are assembly numbers and don't list the casting numbers they are machined from. Making it worse, these assembly PNs were not stamped on the finished assemblies...

Obviously this info would be VERY helpful to identify Frankencarbs and yours is the first post I've seen that suggests some knowledge exists.

Maybe it would be worth starting a thread and building such a list (at least for Pontiacs) from those willing to help on this site?

Mike

[unruhjonny]

When I first looked into this, I had found that there are people here who have this but they were tight lipped because of the prevalence to fake applications;
Because these other persons had been so tight lipped, I have been compiling this information for myself for the last decade or more.

This is why I will always speak up when a query about a carb is made - assuming I haven't been beat to the punch.

I am hesitant to publicly share this information in the manner you suggested - simply put, this would make it too easily publicly searchable for the EXACT same reason as why others before me wouldn't share the same information to begin with.

Hopefully this makes sense.

I started looking for certain applications when I first made an eBay account back in 1999 - and even at that time, there was a consensus that a great deal of the 'Ram Air' carbs were fake;
As an example, most of the 7040273 carbs were re-stamped 7040263 ect...

The fakes have gotten better - but if you keep tabs on the casting numbers, often those are the dead giveaway... that and too much "gold" zinc plating

[Shiny]

Originally Posted by unruhjonny

I have found that there are people here who have this, but they are tight lipped because of the prevalence to fake applications.

Because these people are so tight lipped, I have been compiling this information for the last decade or more.

This is why I will always speak up when a query about a carb is made - assuming i haven't been beat to the punch.

Interesting....thanks

Knowledge is power, but in this case, I speculate the benefit of hiding the info would be retaining the power to deceive others (my cynical opinion) and a good reason to make the info public.

Given that, I commend you for using the info to help others!

[unruhjonny]

/\ I believe we have gone over this before.

[Shiny]

Ahhhh, I didn't read through your last post and I apologize.

Thanks for explaining the rationale and for watching out for others.

Mike

[unruhjonny]

no problem - I ended up editing it, to elaborate a bit better.

[Drag Star Le Mans]

Originally Posted by Scott Thelander

Well wandering around the racer swap meet at
Seattle raceways yesterday
I stumbled on 1 of my 2 purchases

Any idea why this wasn’t stamped??

Thanks
Scott

How would you rate that swap meet?

[Kenth]

Originally Posted by OG68

Agree that it's remanufactured, but there are a few things about the throttle plate.
68 throttle plates have the added vacuum tube for the thermostatic vacuum switch, and they also have three mounting screws.

The manufactured date is usually stamped on the left side of the throttle plate just forward of Scott's picture.

Did late 67 engines use the same vacuum set up as the 68s? I thought I read somewhere that they had something similar. If this was a 67 SR that would explain the throttle plate vacuum tube.

Or did someone (rebuilder) cobble up a throttle body to work on a 68 engine?

Yes, since the casting number on plate is used 1969-70 and all 1968 plates are drilled for idle bypass air.
I have never seen a 1967 using the ignition vacuum retard system, but i guess these also uses idle bypass air to keep the throttle blades in a proper position to the off-idle slots.

[Kenth]

Originally Posted by Scott Thelander

A couple more pics
Thanks for the input
I’m feeling all 68 except the long
Fuel line nut.

Not 1968 at all.
It´s a remanufactured "frankencarb" with all signs of beeing a 1969 unit from the start, possibly a 1967 SR unit made 1969 (with added vacuum tube on side to mimic a 1968 part).

Remaints of "remanufacturers" tag on bowl. Holley or Tomco most likely.
1969 style choke blade shaft and blade (screws sits further apart).
1969 casting number on throttle plate.
Throttle plate not drilled for idle bypass air (1967 only).
1969 secondary stamping on bowl starting with 37xxx
1968-up fuel inlet nut.

HTH

[Scott Thelander]

its ok
200 venders lots of go fast stuff that doesnt interest me
good weather
last year I bought a 70 m-22 that is nice inside for 600
so you just gotta go
just never know

this year a carb for 30.00 and a nice 50 chev hood emblem for 10,00

passed on a decent m-20 660 case for 550

[kyle_blake]

very nice carb, i have a 69 - 428 original carb to share... not sure helps

[unruhjonny]

that could also be a 7028270 ect...