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Old 10-24-2019, 11:14 PM
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The theory that #3 was also dead has been on the aviation forums since the day of the crash (that's where the misfueling speculation started) Further, it seems the prop on #3 wasn't feathered. Whether that's true or not will come out in the final report.

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Old 10-25-2019, 10:22 AM
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This isn't fact, but I heard this morning that #3 had also quit on them. If so that could be what put them into the glycol tanks. Yes a 17 can fly on 2 engines, but not with two on the same side running. Two on the same side... in this case only 1 and 2 running would push them to the right. I don't think the rudder could keep them heading straight, and pulling power to do that would put them into the ground sooner. Possibly it's the reason they clipped the approach lights before getting to the runway. Just my speculation, but if true it's entirely possible.
Very plausible, Gary. Having two engines out on the same side coupled with low pattern altitude and ATC requiring turns into the “engines out” side of the aircraft didn’t bode well for a safe landing. It isn’t humanly possible to hold rudder against two engines at full power.

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Old 10-25-2019, 10:34 AM
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The theory that #3 was also dead has been on the aviation forums since the day of the crash (that's where the misfueling speculation started) Further, it seems the prop on #3 wasn't feathered. Whether that's true or not will come out in the final report.
A sudden mag failure on #3 during final approach would have be catastrophic to maintaining control of the aircraft. If proven, expect an AD on these Bendix Scintilla mags.

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Whether that's true or not will come out in the final report.
I always get a little nuts about the speculation that always occurs when this sort of thing happens...I had a dear friend who was a pilot in a fatal crash some years ago, and remember the rumors that were going around about what happened before the NTSB issued the final report. it's best to wait for that rather than spreading rumors.

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A sudden mag failure on #3 during final approach would have be catastrophic to maintaining control of the aircraft. If proven, expect an AD on these Bendix Scintilla mags.
That and what you quoted from 455HOGT37.

It was also said the mechanics had been working on the magnetos that morning and there was moisture in them. Not a good thing at all. And that alone could have shorted them out for both engines. And you are right... there's no way anyone could hold the rudder to keep control with 2 engines out. Not on the B-17 especially with 2 engines out on one side and the power up to keep it in the air. With that I'm surprised it was even able to get back to the runway.

Note too. It's funny, but not in a laughing way, you mentioned Bendix Scintilla. My grandfather, and 2 of my uncles worked in that plant back in the 50s and 60s. We lived in Sidney, NY on W. Pearl St. back in 1955 when I was 5 years old, and then moved up to Northern NY. My mom also worked there as a secretary in 54 and 55.


Stewart, this is speculation not a rumor. Don't mix up the two. I've worked at airports and have had my hands working on piston aircraft when I was younger. Even a couple of jets since I've been here in Delaware... a Mig 21, and L-39 Albatros that holds a speed record clocked in Reno.... 545 mph. Plus that same L-39 won the Jet Class in 2005 and 2006. Boy do I miss that Mig 21. I have photos of both jets sitting with my GTO, and of the pilot and myself with them.

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Just to put another data point out there, the Feds have pulled Collings ability to sell rides citing poor maintenance and a lack of safety culture.

And for those who don't want to read the report, it turns out engines 3 and 4 were sick long before this flight. Half assed maintenance caused a very preventable tragedy that puts all remaining warbird and vintage aircraft operators in a bad light.

https://www.regulations.gov/document...001-11089-1673


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Just to put another data point out there, the Feds have pulled Collings ability to sell rides citing poor maintenance and a lack of safety culture.

And for those who don't want to read the report, it turns out engines 3 and 4 were sick long before this flight. Half assed maintenance caused a very preventable tragedy that puts all remaining warbird and vintage aircraft operators in a bad light.

https://www.regulations.gov/document...001-11089-1673
Yep, using safety wire to secure the mag’s “p” lead isn’t exactly an approve repair method.

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Talk about a recipe for disaster.

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Scary! My wife and I flew on that plane about 4 years ago.

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